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IT'S EVEN, IT'S WORSE.HEY, I JUST, UH, I'M ONLY GONNA STAY FOR A FEW MINUTES.
I DON'T THINK, UH, AT LEAST FOR ME, OUR PRE, UH, MY PRESENCE, COUNCIL OF PRESIDENT, OF COURSE, EVERYONE MAKE THE DECISION FOR THEMSELVES, UM, MIGHT ENCUMBER A CONVERSATION AND FREE OPEN DIALOGUE.
SO FOR ME, I'M GONNA REMOVE MYSELF.
I WON'T BE PARTICIPATING IN ANY OF THESE MEETINGS.
UM, Y'ALL NEED TO HAVE A, A FREE AND, AND, UH, AND SPIRITED CONVERSATION ON ALL THE ITEMS. AND CERTAINLY DON'T NEED ANY INFLUENCE OR PERCEIVED INFLUENCE FROM, FROM ME OR, OR OTHERS IN MY MIND.
UM, YOU WERE CHOSEN, UH, BECAUSE WE, WE ALL GOT TO CHOOSE THREE PEOPLE.
AND, AND I KNOW I SPEAK FOR EVERYONE WHEN WE, UH, WHEN I SAY THAT WE CHOSE PEOPLE THAT WE FELT WERE REALLY ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY, PEOPLE THAT CARE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY, IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE ONLINE.
THEY'RE ENGAGED, NOT POSITIVELY, NOT CONSTRUCTIVELY, AND, AND NEVER OUT.
YOU KNOW, REALLY IN THE COMMUNITY, PEOPLE THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED TO BE HERE, UM, ARE, ARE THAT THEY'RE ENGAGED.
THEY CARE, RIGHT? WE BELIEVE THEY CARE.
AND, UH, AND THAT'S ALL THAT WE CAN ASK FOR, IS THAT WE HAVE CARING AND ENGAGED, CONSTRUCTIVE, KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY, UM, AND THE PROCESSES IN THIS CITY TO ENGAGE IN THESE CONVERSATIONS, AND THEN COME BACK AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO US.
UM, I DO WANT TO MAKE A, OR HAVE A, UH, SAY A SPECIAL WELCOME TO MAYOR PRO TEM RAINEY ROGERS, WHO IS HERE, AND LYN KEEVER, WHO SERVED ON COUNCIL.
SO, AND, UH, I MISS YOU, BROTHER, MISS YOU.
UM, BUT, UH, NO, I'M JUST, I DON'T, CHARLIE, I DIDN'T MEAN THAT TOWARDS YOU.
I DIDN'T MEAN THAT AT ALL WITH REGARD, CHARLIE, I JUST MEAN, UM, YOU KNOW, RAINEY, YOU'RE ONE OF THE MOST CARING PEOPLE AND PASSIONATE PEOPLE ABOUT THIS CITY THAT I GOT TO SERVE WITH.
I KNOW LYN, OF COURSE IS AS WELL, AND THE OTHERS THAT HAVE SERVED IN THIS ROOM.
UM, BUT I GOTTA SERVE WITH YOU.
AND I KNOW HOW PASSIONATE YOU ARE ABOUT THIS CITY.
AND, AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S ALWAYS MISSED WHEN SOMEONE LIKE THAT LEAVES.
UM, BRIAN LOCK MILLER'S ALSO GONNA BE SERVING, HE'S NOT HERE YET.
HE HAD AN ARBITRATION IN, UM, IN DALLAS.
SO HE'LL BE HERE A LITTLE LATE.
UH, I THINK THIS MEETING IS PROJECTED TO GO TREVOR.
FIVE HOURS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, IT, IT WILL, WHAT, WHAT GIVE, WELL, YOU'RE GONNA GIVE THEM, UM, I'LL LET TREVOR TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT TO EXPECT SO YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR, WHAT YOUR CLOCK LOOKS LIKE, WHAT, UH, WHAT YOUR TIME, UH, WILL LOOK LIKE TONIGHT.
UM, WE HAVE A, A, I GUESS A COUPLE MONTHS TO REALLY HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS.
AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL BE, UH, AGAIN, FRUITFUL, PRODUCTIVE, AND YOU'LL COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS MAY BE THINGS THAT WE, WE THOUGHT AND MAYBE, HEY, DON'T DO A THING.
IT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS WHAT IT'LL BE.
AND, UH, AND WE REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR INPUT.
IT'S A SACRIFICE I KNOW TO BE HERE ON, UH, ON A NIGHT THAT YOU WOULD OTHERWISE BE DOING SOMETHING BETTER OR, OR FUN, I SHOULD SAY.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MAYOR FULLER.
MOST OF YOU I KNOW, BUT FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT, I'M PAUL GRIMES, THE CITY MANAGER.
UH, I'LL SAY A FEW THINGS TO GET US KICKED OFF.
UM, LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
TREVOR WILL GUIDE US THROUGH THE PRESENTATION FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE SERVED ON ONE OF OUR BOND COMMITTEES, IF YOU'VE HAD THAT TREAT, YOU KNOW, TREVOR, UH, 'CAUSE HE DOES A GREAT JOB.
AND SO HE'S, UH, GONNA HELP GUIDE US THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
BUT, UM, FIRST I DO WANNA RECOGNIZE WE'VE GOT A COUPLE ACTIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE.
WE'VE GOT COUNCILMAN CLAUDIER, COUNCILMAN BELLA, UM, AND COUNCILMAN BAYER, PROTE PHILLIPS, OF COURSE, WHO JUST STEPPED OUT.
MAYOR
THAT IS THE DATE THAT WE ARE AIMING FOR TO HAVE THIS COMMITTEE MAKE ITS RECOMMENDATION, ADVISORY OPINION, IF YOU WILL, TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
UH, THEY NEED TO MAKE, UH, THEY HAVE TO VOTE.
UM, I THINK THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST ON WHETHER OR NOT TO PLACE ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS ON THE BALLOT WITH RESPECT TO CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
UM, SO WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR TIME.
THIS IS A REALLY BIG DEAL BECAUSE THIS IS HOW COMMUNITIES SELF GOVERN.
YOUR CHARTER IS YOUR CONSTITUTION, EFFECTIVELY AS A LOCAL COMMUNITY.
AND SO WE DON'T TAKE CHARTER AMENDMENTS LIGHTLY.
AND SO WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE A GROUP OF FOLKS FROM OUR COMMUNITY PARTICIPATING IN BRINGING YOUR THOUGHTS AND PERSPECTIVES, UM, UH, TO BEAR THE HOUR SHORT, AS I MENTIONED TO THE COUNCIL WHEN WE, WHEN THEY GAVE US THE DIRECTION TO HAVE THIS FORM, THIS COMMITTEE, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME.
UH, CITY OF DALLAS COMPLETED THEIRS FOR THE NOVEMBER ELECTION.
UH, SO WE'VE GOT, WE GOTTA MAKE UP SOME GROUND.
UH, SO THE NEXT SIX WEEKS, AND THIS IS VACATION SEASON BY THE WAY, INCLUDING
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ONE OF MY OWN.SO I KNOW A LOT OF YOU HAVE TIME OFF.
SO WE'VE SCHEDULED THE DATES AND WE GOT A LOT OF, A LOT OF GROUND TO COVER, BUT, UH, WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO PARTICIPATE.
BUT WE WILL BE TRYING TO KEEP THE MOVING THINGS ALONG.
UM, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A LONG SIX MONTH DRAGGED OUT PROCESS UNLESS FOR SOME REASON THE COUNCIL WERE TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE NOT READY TO PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT FOR NOVEMBER.
WE WANNA HAVE A LONGER TERM PROCESS, AND THEY COULD INSTRUCT US TO DO SO, BUT I DON'T ENVISION THAT'S THE CASE.
BUT, UH, THEY COULD, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC AND THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE'RE AIMING FOR? ANY QUESTIONS FAIRLY CLEAR? UM, WE DO WANT TO INVITE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UH, IF THERE ARE ANY, IF THERE ARE ANY FOLKS FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WANNA MAKE ANY COMMENTS, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
UM, WE ARE GONNA GO AHEAD AND LAUNCH WITH OUR PRESENTATION.
THE RESTROOMS ARE RIGHT OUTSIDE, SO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO GET UP.
EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, THERE'S LOTS OF REALLY GOOD DESSERTS OVER, OVER HERE THAT CHEESECAKE IS STARING AT ME, UM, TEMPTING ME, LIKE THE GREAT TEMPTRESS OF CHEESECAKE WITH STRAWBERRY, UM, TOPPING.
SO I MAY, I MAY HAVE TO PARTAKE.
UM, TREVOR'S GONNA GIVE US PRESENTATION.
SOME OF THIS WILL BE MORE CLEAR.
EACH MEETING WE'RE GONNA DO, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO STRUCTURE IT AS A SORT OF A TOPICAL OR CHAPTER, UM, EACH MEETING WE DO, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'D BE OVERWHELMED WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT TOPICS.
SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MAKE OUR WAY THROUGH THAT AND TREVOR WILL EXPLAIN THAT IN MORE DETAIL.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TALK A BIT ABOUT ELECTION OF OFFICERS, BECAUSE LIKE ANY GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY THAT CREATES A COMMITTEE, WE GOTTA HAVE OFFICERS.
WE GOTTA HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S GONNA BE THE CHAIRPERSON AND PROBABLY A VICE CHAIRPERSON.
AND THEN HOWEVER ELSE YOU WANNA ORGANIZE YOUR WORK IN TERMS OF, UH, SETTING ABOUT AND COMPLETING THE WORK.
UM, AND WITH THAT, TREVOR, YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND LAUNCH INTO THE PRESENTATION AND COVER ANYTHING I MISSED? THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. GRIMES.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF STRATEGIC SERVICES FOR THE CITY.
UH, SEE SOME FAMILIAR FACES FROM THE BOND COMMITTEE.
SO APPRECIATE THAT LABOR OF LOVE OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, AND WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE TIME TOGETHER OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
UH, AS PAUL MENTIONED, YOU ALL WERE APPOINTED OFFICIALLY LAST TUESDAY, AND WE HAVE A MEETING NOW, EIGHT DAYS LATER BECAUSE WE ARE, UM, UNDER THE GUN TO GET FINISHED BY AN ACTION DATE OF AUGUST 6TH.
IF THERE IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER, THAT'S THE DATE OF THE, OF THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING THAT COMES BEFORE, I BELIEVE AUGUST 13TH, 19TH, EXCUSE ME.
SO WE COULD HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING AFTER AUGUST 6TH IF WE NEEDED TO, YOU KNOW, DO THAT TYPE OF BRAIN DAMAGE.
BUT THE REGULAR MEETING ON AUGUST 6TH IS THE ACTION DATE THAT THE COUNCIL WILL BE LOOKING AT.
THUS, WHY THIS, UH, COMMISSION'S CHARGE IS TO HAVE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL FOR THE WORK SESSION ON JULY 23RD.
UH, COUPLE MORE HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. IF YOU HAVE A RED LIGHT ON IN FRONT OF YOU, THAT MEANS YOUR MIC IS HOT.
AND THESE ARE BROADCASTED MEETINGS.
WE'RE GONNA BE, UM, RECORDED FOR THE PUBLIC'S INPUT.
ONE, AS YOU'RE TALKING, IF IT'S NOT ON, NOBODY ON THE BROADCAST CAN HEAR YOU.
EVEN IF WE CAN ALL HEAR YOU IN HERE.
I'M AS GUILTY OF THAT AS ANYBODY WHEN WE DO OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING IN HERE.
UH, AND THEN TWO, IF YOU'RE HAVING SIDE CONVERSATIONS, YOUR FRIENDS MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU, BUT THE BROADCAST WILL BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU.
SO JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT FOR YOU.
OTHER THAN THAT, FEEL FREE TO GET UP, GET DOWN, INTERRUPT ME AS YOU FEEL, UM, UH, COMPELLED TO DO SO.
WE WANT THIS TO BE AS, UH, ENGAGING AS POSSIBLE.
WE HAVE A FEW SLIDES TO GET THROUGH.
ONCE I'M FINISHED WITH THE 15 OR SO SLIDES THAT WE WORKING THROUGH, THEN WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT UP TO THE ROOM TO KIND OF HAVE SOME CONVERSATION AND WE'LL DO OUR LEVEL BEST TO, UH, GUIDE THAT AS IS APPROPRIATE.
BUT IT'S REALLY GONNA BE INCUMBENT UPON YOU ALL AS THE COMMISSION TO KIND OF TAKE CHARGE WITH THAT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, WE HAVE A TIME SET OUT FOR Y'ALL TO LOOK AT EACH OTHER VERY AWKWARDLY AND DECIDE WHO'S GONNA BE A CHAIR OR A VICE CHAIR.
AND THE GOOD NEWS IS, THAT'S ON Y'ALL.
UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL PAUSE FOR THAT AND WE CAN ADJUST IF NEEDED.
BUT THAT'S ALL ON MY PREAMBLE.
SOME OF THIS, IF YOU'VE BEEN WATCHING THE, UH, BUILDUP TO THIS COMMISSION MEETING FOR THE FIRST TIME IS GONNA BE FAMILIAR TO YOU IF WE WENT BACK AND WATCHED SOME OF THE WORK SESSIONS OR THE ACTION ITEMS. BUT THIS IS A GENERAL 20 YEAR HISTORY OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN REGARDS TO THE CHARTER, UH, HERE IN MCKINNEY.
SO WE'VE HAD FIVE DIFFERENT CHARTER ELECTIONS SINCE 2001.
ALL OF THE VARIOUS ITEMS ARE MENTIONED THERE.
I'LL POINT OUT THAT CHARTER ELECTION, EXCUSE ME, 2000 ONE'S CHARTER ELECTION HAD AN IMPACT TO COUNCIL TERMS AND TERM LIMITS.
AND THEN THE 2014, OR EXCUSE ME, THE 2011, UH, CHARTER ELECTION HAD AN IMPACT COUNCIL TERMS AND TERM LIMITS.
THERE WERE SOME ITEMS THAT WERE RELATED TO COUNCIL, FOR INSTANCE, IN 2019, SOME CLARITY REGARDING WHAT RECALL PROVISIONS WERE
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GOING TO BE IN PLACE AND WHETHER OR NOT THOSE RECALL ELECTIONS WOULD BE BY DISTRICT OR CITYWIDE.SO THAT HAD SOME COUNCIL IMPLICATIONS.
AND THEN FOR THE MOST PART, THERE WAS CLARITY IN REGARDS TO HOW, UH, THE CITY GOV IT GOVERNS ITSELF, WHETHER THERE'S POWERS VESTED IN THE MANAGEMENT OFFICE VERSUS THE COUNCIL.
UH, SOME PARLIAMENTARY CLEANUP, IE THE STATE LAW CHANGED SOMETHING, SO WE NEEDED TO MOVE SOME COMMAS AND SOME ELLIPSES AROUND IN THE CHARTER.
UM, OR JUST GENERAL FUNDING MECHANISMS THAT YOU'LL SEE.
IN 2001, THERE WAS A STIPEND ADJUSTMENT THAT OCCURRED.
THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF HISTORY THAT THE TYPES OF ISSUES THAT WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ARE, UM, TYPICAL OF CHARTER COMMISSIONS AND CHARTER CONSIDERATIONS.
NOTHING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WE'VE, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE COMMUNITIES TONIGHT, UH, SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO TERMS. AND TO GET TO THAT, THIS IS ALL YOU, YOU ALL KNOW EACH OTHER, SO WE DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS, BUT YOU WERE APPOINTED BY A VARIOUS COUNCIL MEMBER.
UM, BUT THIS IS GONNA BE THE BREAKDOWN OF HOW WE'VE SLATED OUR SHORT SIX WEEKS TOGETHER TO HAVE A CADENCE OF SOME, UH, FORMALITY.
AND I ONLY SAY THAT TO SAY IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU.
YOU ALL CAN SAY DURING THE MEETING NOW, AFTER THE MEETING, AFTER THE SECOND MEETING, HEY, WE NEED TO ADJUST.
BUT THIS IS THE COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK DURING THE WORK SESSIONS AND THE REGULAR MEETING AND REALLY WHERE THEY LANDED SOMEWHAT.
UM, AND WE'VE SUMMARIZED INTO THESE THREE AREAS WITH MISCELLANEOUS ADDED AS A FOURTH.
SO TONIGHT'S FOCUS IS ON TERM, TERM LENGTHS AND TERM LIMITS ON JULY, OR EXCUSE ME, SOMEBODY HELP ME OUT HERE.
JUNE 12TH, WE'LL DO COMPOSITION.
SO HOW MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHAT TYPE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UH, WE'LL HAVE A GUEST SPEAKER THAT EVENING.
UH, IF YOU'VE SEEN OUR CENSUS, UM, DEBATES, WHENEVER WE HAVE A CENSUS, THERE'S A GENTLEMAN NAMED GUNNER SEAQUEST.
HE'LL BE COMING TO KIND OF GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE VOTER, THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT ON THE THING, TYPES OF THINGS YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO IN REGARDS TO, UH, ALL AT LARGE OR A MIX OF THIS, THAT OR THE OTHER, THE NUMBER OF POPULATION YOU HAVE TO HAVE IN A CERTAIN DISTRICT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
THEN WE WILL MEET JULY 10TH, I BELIEVE, ON COMPENSATION.
WE'LL REVIEW THE CURRENT COMPENSATION OF COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR.
UH, WE'LL DO SOME COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS SIMILAR TO TONIGHT AND SIMILAR TO NEXT MEETINGS ON COMPENSATION THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF, LIKE, CITIES THROUGHOUT THE NATION SPRINKLED IN KERRY.
NORTH CAROLINA IS SOMEWHAT ANALOGOUS TO US.
UH, IRVINE, CALIFORNIA AND THEN GILBERT, ARIZONA.
WE'VE INCLUDED THOSE JUST 'CAUSE THEY LOOK AND FEEL KIND OF LIKE MCKINNEY AND THEIR DIFFERENT METROS.
UM, SO, BUT THE MAJORITY OF WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN COMPARISON WILL BE TEXAS CITIES OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND, I SHOULD SAY.
AND THEN FINALLY, THERE ARE SOME MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. IF THE COMMISSION DECIDES THEY DO WANNA RECOMMEND TO DO A CHARTER AMENDMENT IN NOVEMBER, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND BE ADDED TO THAT LIST.
UM, SOME JUST TEXT LANGUAGE AND THEN A SHIFT TO THE SIGNATURE AUTHORITY FOR THE MANAGER.
RIGHT NOW IT'S SET AT $50,000.
UH, STATE LAW ALLOWS THAT TO GO UP TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
ANY QUESTION ON THAT? SO TONIGHT'S MEETING AND THE THREE FOLLOWING IT WILL BE FOCUSED IN ON THESE ITEMS. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE KIND OF A SUMMARY TOWARDS THE END.
OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
YES, IF YOU DON'T MIND TURNING ON YOUR MIC, PLEASE.
AT THE END OF ALL, THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ADVISORY TO THE COUNCIL.
COULD THEY LOOK AT 'EM AND SAY, WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANYTHING TO DO.
THE, THE AUTHORITY TO CALL OR TO NOT CALL AN ELECTION TO HAVE IT INCLUDE EVERYTHING OR NOTHING THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDS IS AT THE SOLE DISCRETION OF THE COUNCIL? WELL, I THINK MY QUESTION MIGHT BE TAKE, TAKE ANY ONE OF THE ITEMS, SAY WE RECOMMEND X AND THE COUNCIL SAYS WE DON'T LIKE THAT.
CORRECT? SO THEY CAN IGNORE IT.
THEY, THEY HAVE THE DISCRETION TO IGNORE IT OR TO ADD A SIXTH, SEVENTH, EIGHTH THING, UH, THAT NOBODY CONTEMPLATED IN THIS DISCUSSION.
UM, SO, BUT, BUT INTENT OF THE COMMITTEE IN THE COMMISSION IS TO HAVE A, A SET LEVEL OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WOULD GO BEFORE THEM, VERY SIMILAR TO A BOND COMMITTEE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE MOST RECENT BOND COMMITTEE DELIBERATED OVER THREE, FOUR MONTHS.
THEY HAD FIVE RECOMMENDATION OR FIVE AREAS, UH, THAT THEY RECOMMENDED TO BE FUNDED.
THOSE FIVE AREAS HAD NO CHANGE ONCE THE COUNCIL CALLED THAT ELECTION IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR.
THIS IS THE TIMELINE FOR YOUR DATES, UH, AGAIN ON THAT LAST ONE WHEN WEDNESDAY, JULY 10TH.
WE'LL DO THAT MISCELLANEOUS REVIEW AS WELL AS, UM, KIND OF A FINAL SUMMARIZED, UH, OSH AS WE LIKE TO SAY HERE, INTERNALLY AT THE CITY, UH,
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YES NO TO WHAT WE'VE ARRIVED AT CORPORATELY THROUGH THE COMMISSION'S WORK.UM, WE, WE MAY GET INTO THIS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL HERE IN A MINUTE, BUT IT MAY BE WORTHWHILE TO, AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR, FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR COMPOSITION DISCUSSION, IF THERE'S A RELATIVE AMOUNT OF, UH, CONSENSUS AROUND WHAT THE TERM DISCUSSION IS.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THERE HAS TO BE, BUT IF THERE IS, UH, THAT WE KIND OF GIVE THAT A THUMBS UP OR A THUMBS DOWN SO THAT YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO CONSIDER ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN ONE FINAL MEETING.
UH, CRAMON FOR THE FINAL, SO TO SPEAK, ON JULY 10TH.
THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT THAT YOU CAN NOODLE OVER OVER THE NEXT FEW HOURS, OR EXCUSE ME, THE NEXT FEW MINUTES AND THEN THE NEXT FEW MEETINGS.
UM, IT SAYS, THE PRESENTATION OF FINDINGS OF CITY COUNCIL ON WEDNESDAY, JULY 23RD.
SOMEBODY COPIED AND PASTED WEDNESDAY A BUNCH OF TIMES RIGHT THERE.
CAN'T IMAGINE WHO THAT WOULD BE.
UM,
UM, THEY WOULD PUT AN ORDINANCE ON THEIR AGENDA, VOTE ON THAT ORDINANCE, AND IT WOULD HAVE A SERIES OF PROPOSITIONS.
THESE ARE EXAMPLE PROPOSITIONS.
UH, MR. HAUSER JUST WHIPPED THEM UP, FOR EXAMPLE, PURPOSES.
UH, BUT THIS IS THE END PRODUCT THAT YOU ALL ARE, UH, CONSIDERING TO RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL.
AND THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERING, UM, FROM YOUR VIEWPOINT AS WELL, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU WHAT'S THE END IN MIND AND NOW THE FUN PART.
SO, YEAH, I FORGOT TO SAY SOMETHING EARLIER.
SO, UM, TREVOR, PLEASE DON'T ASK TREVOR OR MYSELF OR OUR ESTEEMED ATTORNEY, MR. HOUSER, WHAT OUR OPINIONS ARE ABOUT ANY OF THESE POTENTIAL CHARTER AMENDMENTS, BECAUSE WE WILL NOT ANSWER.
UH, ALL WE WILL TELL YOU IS THERE IS NO VALUE IN A CITY MANAGER SAYING YES OR NO TO ANY ONE OF THESE.
WE'RE GUIDING YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UM, I'M HERE CERTAINLY TO SHARE, LEND SOME EXPERIENCE AND PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
I'VE WORKED IN COUNCIL MAYOR FORMS OF GOVERNMENT.
I'VE SPENT MOST OF MY CAREER IN COUNCIL MANAGER, FORMER GOVERNMENT.
I'VE WORKED IN CITIES WITH NO TERM LIMITS.
I'VE WORKED IN CITIES WITH TERM LIMITS.
OUR ROLE IS TO GUIDE THE PROCESS AND HELP YOU THROUGH THIS.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
THERE REALLY IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE CITIES ARE ALL OVER THE BOARD AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT APPROACHES.
UH, BUT, UH, ATTORNEY HAUSER, TREVOR, NOR MYSELF, ARE REALLY IN A POSITION TO BE GIVING YOU OUR OPINIONS, WHAT OUR PERSONAL OPINION IS ABOUT THIS OR THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S JUST OUT OF OUR LANE, IF YOU WILL.
SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT.
IF IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE EVADING THE QUESTION, WELL, IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE EVADING THE QUESTION.
UM, SO THE NEXT POINT, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ABOUT TIMELINE OR OUR GENERAL FRAMEWORK FOR THE PURPOSE, UH, THAT THE COUNCIL SET DURING, UH, LAST TUESDAY'S MEETING WHEN THEY ESTABLISHED THIS COMMISSION IS FOR YOU ALL TO DISCUSS AMONGST YOURSELF AND HAVE SOME CONSENSUS ON A CHAIR, A VICE CHAIR.
I WILL SAY, IF IT FEELS THAT, UH, THAT NEEDS A LONGER RUNWAY, I'M HAPPY TO MOVE FORWARD.
BUT IF THERE IS ANYBODY THAT'S, UM, COMPELLED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THIS IS THE TIME FOR YOU TO DISCUSS THAT.
IS THE, IS IT SIMILAR TO LIKE THE BOND COMMITTEE WHERE THE CHAIRMAN PRESENTS THE CITY COUNCIL ON BEHALF? YEAH.
IS THERE ANY RISK ASSOCIATED WITH APPOINTING ELECTING THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR A LITTLE BIT LATER? TIME LEFT, PERHAPS THE NEXT MEETING AFTER WE'VE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK, GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER AND SEE WHAT EACH OTHER'S INTERESTS ARE.
NOT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S UP TO THE GROUP.
I'LL MEAN, SHE'S MY FAVORITE THAT'S NOT HERE BECAUSE I'LL GO FOR BRIAN.
HE SHOULDA HAVE GOT HERE ALL TIME
JUST HOPING WE CAN DO, AND I'LL EMPHASIZE THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL COULD DO.
WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT A MINUTE.
SO YOUR, YOU WERE, YOUR MOTION IS, I'M NOT, OKAY.
DID THAT DID YOU SAY BRIAN, BOB MILLER.
LET'S GO AHEAD, MAKE SURE THAT'S NOT HERE.
SO YEAH, HE WOULD BE GOOD CHAIR.
NO, HE, HE'S ALWAYS THE CHAIR.
SO WE NEED SOMEBODY DIFFERENT, RIGHT? HE'S ALWAYS IN CHARGE.
SO I MIGHT NOTE THAT THIS IS A REALLY GOOD START.
COUNCILWOMAN FELT IS HERE, BY THE WAY.
SO, UM, THERE IS A THRESHOLD QUESTION THOUGH.
I DO THINK THAT, UH, UH, COMMITTEE
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MEMBER RA HAS ASKED, AND THAT IS, DO YOU WANNA MAKE A DECISION TODAY? DO YOU WANNA MAKE A NOMINATION TODAY OR DO YOU WANNA WAIT? IS THERE WISDOM IN DOING THAT? BECAUSE THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION PROBABLY IS GONNA GOVERN THE REST OF IT.THE ANSWER, WELL, THE ANSWER THAT YOU HAVE TO MR. C'S QUESTION FOR THE FLOOR IS, DO WE WANNA WAIT? IS THERE WISDOM IN WAITING A MEETING PERHAPS AND MAKE A, MAYBE APPOINTING THE CHAIR THE FIRST BIT ORDER OF BUSINESS AT THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, AND HOW YOU ALL DECIDE TO ARRIVE AT THAT IS GONNA ANSWER THE REST OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOMINATING FOLKS AND YOU'RE GONNA WAIT, YOU MIGHT JUST HOLD THOSE NOMINATIONS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO DO.
SO IT'S REALLY A CHOICE FOR YOU ALL TO MAKE, WELL, CAN I FOLLOW UP MY PREVIOUS QUESTION? THAT, SO IF THERE'S NO REAL RISK ASSOCIATED WITH POSTPONING IT, WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR GOING FORWARD IN THE CONDUCT OF OUR MEETINGS SESSION? YEAH, IT'S, ITS GONNA, IT'S GOING TO BE CHAIRING THE MEETING LIKE THEY WERE CHAIRING A REGULAR CITY COMMISSION.
IT'LL, IT'LL FEEL A LITTLE LESS FORMAL THAN THAT I IMAGINE OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
BUT IT'LL BE THAT FOR ONE, UM, IN THE EVENT THAT WE REACH A STANDSTILL ON A DISCUSSION, THEY'LL BE CHARGED WITH KIND OF MOVING US PAST THAT.
UM, THEY WILL FOR SURE BE THE ONE THAT WILL REPRESENT THIS BODY, UH, AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE COUNCIL OR THE VICE CHAIR IN THEIR ABSENCE.
UM, SO THOSE ARE FEW OF THE ITEMS. IF THERE'S THE NEED FOR SOME HOMEWORK OR SOME OFF CYCLE MEETINGS TO OCCUR, THEY'LL BE THE ONE SHEPHERDING AND MARSHALING THOSE MEETINGS.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IF WE DISCUSS TERMS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME THIS EVENING AND THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME OFFLINE TERM DISCUSSION, I WOULD IMAGINE A CHAIR OR A VICE CHAIR WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, THESE FIVE PEOPLE, YOU SEEM TO BE REALLY ENGAGED ABOUT TERMS. WHY DON'T Y'ALL GO HAVE COFFEE LATER THIS WEEK AND BRING BACK A REPORT TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION? THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE.
AND LIAISING WITH STAFF AND, AND, AND, AND BEING THE, THE, THE VOICE OF THIS COMMISSION WITH US AS WE PREPARE FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE STANDPOINT TO SUPPORT THE COMMISSION.
OH, IT WOULD SEEM APPROPRIATE TO ME IF YOU WOULD TURN YOUR MICS ON.
IT WOULD SEEM APPROPRIATE TO ME THAT WE WOULD DEFER THIS DECISION TO, WE ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO AT LEAST GET ACQUAINTED.
I DON'T KNOW MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM.
SO IF YOU SAID, WELL, WILL I VOTE FOR HIM? I HAVE NO IDEA.
WELL, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE REST OF THE PEOPLE.
THERE'S PROBABLY A COUPLE OF PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WOULD, WOULD BE REALLY GOOD AT IT.
THERE'S SOME OTHERS THAT MAY, MAY NOT WANT TO DO IT, BUT AT THIS POINT I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH PICKING ANYBODY.
I, AND AGAIN, WE ARE, WE ARE AGNOSTIC TO THE VIEWPOINT OF THE COMMISSION.
SO, UH, I'D SUGGEST IF THAT'S TWO FOLKS AND YOU HAVE TWO MOTIONS SO TO SPEAK, IF THERE'S A DEFER IT TEPID MICROPHONE, IS EVERYONE WILLING TO DEFER IT TO THE NEXT MEETING? YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL.
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU JUST DON'T PICK ONE.
I MEAN, I MEAN, WE, WE CAN STEADY OUT IN THAT, ANALYZE EVERYBODY AND, BUT LET'S JUST PICK A COUPLE OF PEOPLE AND MOVE ON.
JUST, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO BE THE CHAIR IF THEY DO AND RAISE THEIR HAND? RANDY, RAISE YOUR HAND.
WELL, I, I WOULDN'T MIND, BUT I THINK THE CHAIR HAS TO BE HERE AT EVERY ONE.
AND I'M, AND THE NEXT ONE I'M GONNA MISS 'CAUSE I HAVE A COMMITMENT AND, UH, AND SO THAT'S, I I WOULDN'T MIND DOING IT, BUT I, BUT THE CHAIR NEEDS TO BE HERE EVERY, SO ANYBODY WHO'S NOT HERE, I, I DON'T THINK I WOULD VOTE FOR IT, JUST BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE HERE AND LISTEN TO EVERYTHING, ABLE TO SUBSTANTIATE WHAT WE'RE, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING.
BRANDON, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO OH NO, IT'S OKAY.
NO, I AGREE THAT, THAT, SO I'M GONNA MISS ONE OF THE MEETINGS AS WELL.
SO I THINK WHO'S GONNA BE HERE AT ALL OF THE MEETINGS? THAT'S WHO WE NEED TO CONSIDER.
SO, AND THAT I'M GONNA TAKE MYSELF OUT 'CAUSE MY FATHER'S HAVING SURGERY SO NO ONE KNOW ME, BUT SORRY, MOST OF YOU DON'T KNOW ME, BUT I'M, I I'LL BE HERE MR. CO.
SO I THINK MR. ROGERS HAS LANDED ON A VERY IMPORTANT GUIDING PRINCIPLE THEN GIVEN THE IMPORTANCE OF THE COMMISSION, THE IMPORTANCE OF THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR SHOULD BE SOMEONE WHO CAN'T COMMIT TO BE ATTENDING EVERY ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS.
NO, I KNOW I'M GONNA MISS ONE BECAUSE THERE'S SOME LONG PLANNED FAMILY TRAVEL AND I KNOW I'LL BE MISSING ONE.
I, HE SAYS HE CAN BE HERE AT EVERY MEETING.
AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDERS HERE, SO IF THERE IS A GENERAL CONSENSUS, WE'LL GO WITH THAT.
IF THERE'S ANY, ANYONE THAT'S, UH, BEHEM OPPOSED, THEN WE CAN CONTINUE THIS ROBUST DIALOGUE NON NOW VICE CHAIR.
MARIANNE, YOU THREW YOUR NAME IN AND YOU SAID JUST I I'LL BE HERE AT EVERY MEETING.
THAT'S, THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE QUALIFIER.
SO ANY THOUGHTS ON BEING THE VICE CHAIR? SURE.
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ALRIGHT.LOOK AT THAT SEVEN MINUTES THAT'S GOING ON MY PERFORMANCE EVALUATION RIGHT THERE.
I KNOW THAT, UH, THAT PART OF THE PROCESS IS HOPEFULLY AS AWKWARD AS IT GETS, UM, BUT IT, IT'S GONNA HELP US FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE JUST TO HAVE, UM, SOME POINTED LEAD CONTEXT THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER.
UH, I THINK IT'LL HELP THE COMMISSION AS YOU ALL GET TO KNOW ONE ANOTHER OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT SIX WEEKS, UH, TO REALLY BUILD AND GAIN CONSENSUS, UM, BY JUST HAVING LEADERSHIP ESTABLISHED.
SO WITH THAT SAID, WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THE TERMS DATA.
THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION.
IT'S GONNA FEEL LIKE I'M READING TO YOU BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M GONNA DO.
UH, WE'RE GONNA TALK PRIMARILY ABOUT TEXAS CITIES AND WHAT THEY DO.
THESE ARE CITIES OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND OR CLOSE ENOUGH.
UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF NON TEXAS CITIES THAT ARE SPRINKLED IN, AS I MENTIONED, AND IT'S ABOUT TERM LIMITS AND TERM LINKS.
UM, WE HAVE INFORMATION ON THE OTHER ASPECTS OF WHAT THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH.
UH, BUT THIS MEETING WE'VE KIND OF SET ASIDE TO TALK ABOUT TERM LIMITS AND TERM LENGTHS.
SO IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, WE'LL DIVE RIGHT IN.
KIND OF BURN THROUGH THE DATE OF THE BALANCE OF THE TIME TO YOU ALL TO DISCUSS AS YOU SEE FIT.
SO I WON'T READ ALL OF THESE CITIES, UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, PRIMARILY THROUGHOUT TEXAS.
THROUGHOUT TEXAS AND THEN OUR THREE ANALOGS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THE TERMS, OR EXCUSE ME TERM LEAKS ARE ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO FOUR YEARS.
UH, TWO YEARS HAS THE MOST, UH, FOLLOWED BY THREE I BELIEVE, OR ACTUALLY MAYBE THREE YEARS HAS THE MOST.
UM, BUT ALL THAT TO SAY, MR. HOUSER'S COMING TO INTERRUPT ME AS I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
AND SO THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE WERE BASICALLY A CONSTITUTIONAL HOME RULE CITY WITH THE TWO YEAR TERMS UP UNTIL THE COUNCIL, AND, EXCUSE ME, THE VOTERS DECIDED THAT IT WAS, THAT NEEDED TO GO TO A DIFFERENT TERM LENGTH.
BUT THAT'S WHY EVEN SOME OF THE LARGER CITIES HAVE TWO YEAR TERMS 'CAUSE IT'S CONSTITUTION NEVER BEEN ADJUSTED.
PLEASE FORGIVE MY SNIDE REMARK.
UM, SO THERE WILL BE A, UM, UH, 2, 3, 4 YEAR TERMS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ON TERM LENGTHS FROM ALL OF THESE CITIES YOU SEE IN TEXAS.
UM, WE'LL TALK ABOUT TERM LIMITS AS WE PROGRESS.
AND I'M JUST GONNA SWITCH BETWEEN THESE SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IF YOU HAVE A HOMETOWN THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN.
SO MOST OF THE CITIES THAT WE LOOKED AT, THEY DID HAVE TERM LIMITS.
HOWEVER, IT'S KIND OF A 60 40 SPLIT.
A LOT OF LARGE CITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE DO NOT HAVE TERM LIMITS.
TWO OF THE ANALOG CITIES THROUGHOUT THE NATION DON'T HAVE TERM LIMITS.
I JUST, IN, IN THE, WHERE YOU HAVE THE TERM YEARS, FORT WORTH IS, HAS TWO YEAR TERM LIMITS.
CORRECT? ON THE NEXT PAGE IT REFLECTS, FORT WORTH HAS NO TERM LIMITS.
THEY HAVE TWO YEAR TERM LENGTHS, TWO YEAR TERMS, BUT THEY HAVE NO LIMIT ON THE AMOUNT OF TERMS THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO SERVE, THE NUMBER OF, OF THE TERMS THEY CAN SERVE.
'CAUSE THIS IS A GOOD POINT TO POINT OUT.
WE TALKED TO A LOT OF CITIES AND WE GOT A LOT OF DATA AND, AND INVARIABLY THERE IS GOING TO BE AN ERROR.
UM, SO I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOOKED AT SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 30 TO 40 CITIES AND WE'RE LOOKING AT SIX DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THEIR CHARTERS AND HOW THEY'VE SELF-GOVERNED OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS UPON YEARS.
SO WHILE IN THIS CASE THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT FORT WORTH IS PRESENTED CORRECTLY, THERE'S LIKELY GONNA BE A SLIGHT ADMINISTRATIVE ERROR IN SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED HERE.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO LIMITS BEYOND FOUR YEARS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU FOUND? FOUR YEARS IS, IS REALLY THE MAXIMUM.
THAT'S THE MAX YOU CAN DO AS THAT'S THE MAX THAT YOU CAN HAVE A SINGLE TERM.
QUESTIONS, MARK? UM, WE HAD A, WE HAD AN ELECTION REGARDING THE THREE TO FOUR YEAR.
WE DID TERMS RECENTLY AND I, I KNOW TREVOR HAD A SLIDE REFLECTING THAT.
BUT WHAT WAS THE, WHEN, WHAT WAS THE YEAR? REMIND ME, WHAT WAS THE YEAR? 2011.
AND I, AND I BELIEVE YOU WERE ON THE 14.
UH, WE HAD AN INTERNAL COUNCIL COMMITTEE FOR THE CHARTER IN 14, RIGHT? I THINK YOU WERE ON IT.
BUT I GUESS MY POINT WAS, I, AS IF I RECALL, AND BRIAN'S NOT HERE TO CORRECT ME, BUT, UM,
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WE WERE, I THINK THE REASON WE WENT OR WE CONSIDERED GOING FROM THREE TO FOUR, WASN'T IT BECAUSE OF SOME, I MEAN, IT WASN'T JUST MCKINNEY THAT DID THAT.IT WAS SEVERAL OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME.
WAS WHAT WAS, REMIND US WHY WE, WELL, WHY WE DID THAT.
IT WASN'T, IT WAS COST FOR SURE WAS ONE, ONE LITTLE ANECDOTE, BUT THERE, WASN'T THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS GOING ON IN TERMS OF IT, IT WASN'T ANYTHING, I MEAN THERE WERE A LOT OF GROWTH CITIES IN THE DALLAS METROPLEX THAT WERE GOING TO FOUR YEAR TERMS. THERE WASN'T ANY STATE LAW CHANGE THAT DICTATED IT, DICTATED IT.
BUT I THINK ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS IN AT LEAST THE COUNCIL CONSIDERATION WAS, YOU KNOW, A WORKLOAD, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG DO YOU NEED TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, SEASONED AS A COUNCIL MEMBER? DO YOU NEED TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, FOUR YEARS? THOSE WERE SOME OF THE THINGS THE COUNCIL DISCUSSED AT THAT TIME.
BUT THERE WAS NOTHING REGIONALLY THAT I RECALL LYN.
SO IT WASN'T LIKE A COUNTY SHARED ELECTION? NO.
NO, BECAUSE I KNOW THE SCHOOL BOARD ALSO WENT TO FOUR YEAR TERMS AT THAT GENERAL TIME.
BUT ANYWAY, DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS OKAY.
BUT DO YOU REMEMBER PARENTHETICALLY, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE, UM, OUTCOME OF THAT ELECTION WAS GONE FROM THREE TO FOUR, WHETHER IT WAS CLOSE OR, UH, IT WAS, NO, WASN'T CLOSE.
IT WAS, MOST OF OUR, UH, CHARTER ELECTIONS ARE 65 TO 70% IN PAY.
SO AGAIN, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE CITIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT HAVE TERM LIMITS.
MEANING REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'RE 2, 3, 4 YEAR TERMS, THERE'S A LIMIT ON THE AMOUNT OF TERMS OR THEY DO NOT HAVE TERM LIMITS.
AND THEN WE, WE START TO SLICE AND DICE THIS AND IT GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING.
SO JUST JUMP IN AND INTERRUPT ME IF THERE'S ANY CLARITY THAT YOU'D LIKE.
THIS IS TOTAL TERMS AVAILABLE VERSUS CONSECUTIVE TERMS AVAILABLE, MEANING ON THE LEFT, UM, A LIMIT ON TOTAL TERMS. SO YOU CAN ONLY HAVE AN X NUMBER OF TERMS FOR LIFE.
HOUSTON, SAN ANTONIO, EL PASO, ARLINGTON, LAREDO, AND THEN IRVINE, CALIFORNIA.
AND THEN A LIMIT ON CONSECUTIVE TERMS, MEANING THERE'S SOME TYPE OF PAUSE PERIOD IN SOME MANNER, WHETHER IT'S, UH, FROM A COUNCIL SEAT, SPECIFICALLY COUNCIL SEAT PLUS MAYOR, OR SOME COMBINATION OF THOSE TWO COUNCIL PLACE, COUNCIL AT LARGE PLUS A MAYOR OR SOME COMBINATION OF THAT.
THERE IS SOME TYPE OF PAUSE PERIOD INCLUDED IN THERE.
AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THOSE ARE.
UM, ON THE MATH, IT, THIS MAY NOT BE A SCENARIO, BUT IF THE TERMS ARE SMALL ENOUGH, IS THERE A SCENARIO WHERE THERE'S A BULK OR AN AND OR FOR TOTAL CONSECUTIVE, OR DO YOU CHOOSE TOTAL TERMS OR CONSECUTIVE TERMS AS THE POINT? I'M GONNA LEAN ON MR. HOUSER, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THE, I THINK OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT THERE'D BE CLARITY.
AND UM, THERE ARE CITIES THAT ARE REPRESENTED.
SO YOU'LL SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE INCLUDED SOME OF OUR ANALOGS IN DIFFERENT STATES THAT I'VE MENTIONED.
UH, THEY DON'T HAVE CLARITY TO THAT QUESTION, IT'S JUST, THERE'S NO MENTION OF IT IN THEIR CHARTER.
AND YOU COULD SAY THAT WAS ON PURPOSE OR YOU COULD SAY IT WAS BY ACCIDENT.
UM, IT HADN'T BEEN CLEANED UP.
SO IF IT HADN'T BEEN CLEANED UP, IT'S PROBABLY ON PURPOSE.
ONE OTHER THING THAT THE COUNCIL REALLY DID NOT FEEL WAS, UH, PART OF OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT WAS WE STAGGER MM-HMM.
UH, I MEAN, YOU'RE WELCOME TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT, UH, IT'S VERY COMMON THAT YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE SEATS BEING UP AT ONE TIME.
YOU COULD, BUT FOR CONTINUITY, I THINK MOST CITIES DO IT IN A STAGGER LIKE WE DO.
WE EFFECT, WE EFFECTIVELY HAVE A CITY ELECTION EVERY TWO YEARS.
SO FOR THE CITIES THAT HAVE LIMITS ON CONSECUTIVE TERMS, THIS IS THE DETAILS BEHIND THAT.
UM, FOR INSTANCE, HALTON CITY 10 YEARS TOTAL COMBINED, AND I'LL LET YOU READ THE VERY COMPLICATED, UH, HALT CITY MATH THAT THEY HAVE THERE.
AND THEN 12 YEARS COMBINED AT CORPUS CHRISTI, BEDFORD, GARLAND, FLOWER MOUNTAIN, SOUTHLAKE, COLLEYVILLE, AND IRVINE.
THERE IS SOME MIX INTO WHAT THE DIFFERENT TERMS CAN BE.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IRVINE HAS A LITTLE SHIFT THAT'S KIND OF ABNORMAL WHERE THEY HAVE FOUR YEAR COUNCIL TERMS AND THEN TWO YEAR MAYOR TERMS. I WILL SAY, UH, THEY'RE CHANGING THAT IN 2024 TO JUST BE FOUR YEAR ACROSS THE BOARD.
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FLOWER MOUNT SOUTHLAKE, COLLEYVILLE SIMILAR TO US WITH DIFFERENT NUMBERS.TWO, THREE YEAR COUNCIL MEMBER TERMS, TWO, THREE OR MAYOR ORAL TERMS IN YOUR RESEARCH, UM, OUTSIDE OF, IF YOU'LL TURN THE MIC ON.
BUT YOU MEAN BETWEEN A COUNCIL MEMBER AND A MAYOR? YES.
SO WE SAW 10, 12, THIS IS 16, WHICH MCKINNEY IS 16 YEARS TOTAL AND 18 YEARS COMBINED.
UM, JUST TO POINT OUT MCKINNEY, UH, 'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS AND UH, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO THROW SOMETHING AT ANYONE, IT'S MR. HAUSER, NOT ME.
BUT A COUNCIL MEMBER CAN SERVE TWO CONSECUTIVE FOUR YEAR TERMS AT LARGE OR IN A DISTRICT AND THEY CAN SERVE TWO CONSECUTIVE FOUR YEAR TERMS AS A MAYOR.
UM, IF THEY WERE TO SERVE A DISTRICT SEAT, SO FOR EXAMPLE, I LIVE IN DISTRICT THREE AND IF THERE WAS AN INDIVIDUAL SERVING TWO CONSECUTIVE DISTRICT THREE TERMS AND THEY WANTED TO RUN OUT LARGE, I BELIEVE, AND I'LL HAVE MR. HAUSER SHAKE HIS HEAD YES.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A ONE YEAR PAUSE PERIOD BEFORE THEY COULD RUN AT LARGE.
AND THEN THEY COULD RUN AT LARGE FOR TWO AT LARGE TERMS AND IMMEDIATELY GO TO MAYOR.
AND THAT IMMEDIATE JUMP TO MAYOR OR FROM MAYOR TO A SEAT, UH, IS THE CASE BOTH WAYS, BUT JUST 'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT OVER THE PAST COUPLE MEETINGS.
JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? SO, YEAH.
SO IN MCKINNEY, TWO CONSECUTIVE FOUR YEAR TERMS IS COUNCIL AND THEN THERE'S A PAUSE, RIGHT? IF THERE'S A PAUSE IF THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNCIL SEAT OR IF THEY'RE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO STAY IN THEIR CURRENT SEAT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IF I'M USING DISTRICT THREE, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE I LIVE.
IF A MEMBER IS RUNNING FOR DISTRICT THREE AND THEY WANNA SERVE EIGHT YEARS, THEY CAN DO THAT TODAY.
IF THEY WANT TO SERVE AS A DISTRICT THREE REPRESENTATIVE FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEAR TERM AFTERWARDS, THEY GOTTA SIT OUT ONE YEAR.
IF THEY WANNA SERVE AS AN AT LARGE MEMBER AFTER THEIR FOUR YEAR, OR EXCUSE ME, THEIR EIGHT YEARS AS A DISTRICT THREE REPRESENTATIVE, THEY GOTTA SIT OUT A YEAR.
IF THEY WANNA RUN FOR MAYOR, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO SIT OUT A YEAR.
THEY CAN IMMEDIATELY RUN FOR MAYOR AFTER THEY COMPLETE THEIR TERMS AS A DISTRICT OR AN AT LARGE MEMBER.
AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HOLD A RECORD IN MCKINNEY FOR SERVING ALL THESE, I MEAN, 16 YEARS? YEAH, I THINK SO.
WILLIE WILEY SERVED FOUR YEARS.
BACK IN THE DAY OR IS, YEAH, 24.
YOU COULD SERVE 24 OUT OF 25 YEARS CURRENTLY IF YOU DO A ONE YEAR SIT OUT.
WELL, THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF CASES, I THINK CERTAINLY WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO, TO BRIAN WHO'S NOT HERE.
BUT BRIAN SERVED EIGHT YEARS ON COUNCIL AND THEN EIGHT YEARS ON MAYOR FOR A TOTAL 16.
AND HE WAS HIS FIRST NO, THREE YEAR TERMS. THREE YEARS.
BUT HE HAD TWO TERMS AS A COUNCIL MEMBER AND THEN TWO TERMS AS MAYOR.
I GOT THE YEARS PAUSE, I'M STILL NO, NO, THERE'S NO PAUSE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN IT CHANGES, THEY ALWAYS GRANDFATHER YOU.
I SERVED TWO, TWO YEAR TERMS AND THEN TWO THREE YEAR TERMS. SO 10 YEARS.
I THINK HE SERVED 14 IN A ROW.
WELL, I THE NUMBER OF YEARS IS NOT IMPORTANT.
I'M JUST, JUST THAT WAS THE CADENCE OF THE PROGRESSION.
SO HE HAD TWO TERMS AS A COUNCIL MEMBER THEN MAYOR, TWO TERMS AS MAYOR, WHATEVER THE YEARS WERE YEAH.
BUT THE CHARTER CHANGED IN THOSE PERIODS AS WELL AS YOU MENTIONED.
THE, THE ONE YEAR WAIT HAS ALWAYS CONFUSED ME BECAUSE ELECTIONS ARE EVERY TWO YEARS.
SO WHY IS THE ONE YEAR WAIT, WHAT, WHAT IS YOU COULD, YOU COULD BE AT LARGE AND THEN DECIDE, AND YOU'RE THE AT LARGE THAT RUNS THE YEAR WITH THREE AND FOUR AND YOU COULD
WE HAVE AN ELECTION EVERY TWO YEARS, NOT ONE.
I THINK IT MAY MAY BE A MATTER THAT WHERE THE TIMING FALLS.
IF YOUR SECOND TERM AS A COUNCIL PERSON IN YOUR DISTRICT ENDS, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER ELECTION COMING UP IN THE STAGGERING.
BUT IT'S YOUR TURN, YOUR TURN MAY NOT BE TIED TO, IT'S STILL TWO YEARS.
LISTEN, I, I SUPPORT A BIGGER GAP.
I'M NOT ARGUING WITH YOU, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT.
IT USED TO BE WHEN IT'S THREE YEAR TERMS. RIGHT.
BUT, BUT YEAH, I MEAN IT IS TWO YEARS RAINY.
YOU COULD ALWAYS RESIGN AND SIT OUT AND THEN RUN.
BUT THOSE PO THERE'S ALL THOSE DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES.
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ELECTION.ELECTION AND THEN AN OFF YEAR.
I THINK WE HAVE AN OFF YEAR EVERY THIRD YEAR.
IF I'M, IF I'M RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
I HAVE A QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE CURRENT COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD BE WILLING TO COMMENT ON THIS, BUT AS DIFFICULT IT IS TO FIND CANDIDATES TO, TO DO THIS JOB.
I WONDER HOW THEY FEEL NOW ABOUT THE FOUR YEAR TERM.
IS IT, I MEAN IT AFTER FOUR YEARS, ARE ALL OF YOU READY TO SIGN UP FOR ANOTHER FOUR OR DO YOU WISH IT'D JUST BEEN THREE, BEEN THREE? IT, I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT ABOUT THAT, BUT FOUR YEARS IS A LONG TIME.
THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
SO YOU GO INTO THE ELECTION KNOWING THAT IT'S FOR YOU.
YOU KNOW, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE UNTIL AFTER DAY.
AND SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE LIKE, OKAY, FOUR YEARS IS ENOUGH.
AND, AND THEN THEY GO AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I SIGNED UP FOR EIGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, I THINK THE MOST RECENT EXAMPLE IS COUNCILMAN ELLIOT, UM, DID ONE FOUR YEAR TERM.
WELL THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE PRIOR TO THAT THAT JUST HAD ONE, ONE FORD.
I DID WANNA MENTION ONE OTHER THING THAT MAY NOT BE RELATED TO YOUR DISCUSSION, BUT IN SOME OF THESE CITIES, PARTICULARLY THE LARGER ONES, YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
YOU HAVE A STRONG MAYOR, UH, WHICH IS DIFFERENT.
OURS IS A COUNCIL MEMBER MANAGER, COUNCIL MANAGER, MAYOR, EXCUSE ME, COUNCIL MEMBER, MANAGER, UH, GOVERNMENT.
SO ALL OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE.
AND SO IN SOME OF THESE LARGER CITIES, THEY DON'T.
AND SO THERE'S, AND THERE'S ALSO DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIPS.
SO THAT MAY BE A REASON WHY SOME OF THESE BIG CITIES HAVE DIFFERENT TERMS FOR THE MAYOR, JUST AS AN ANECDOTE.
BUT AS A, YOU ALL KNOW, YOU KNOW, MAYOR FULLER VOTES, HE'S ONE VOTE JUST LIKE EVERYBODY.
AND THEN FINALLY 18 YEARS COMBINED IN IRVING AND FRISCO.
UM, I WILL NOTE FRISCO IS CURRENTLY UNDERGOING A RECRUITMENT PROCESS FOR A CHARTER COMMISSION REVIEW FOR 2025 RIGHT NOW.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE ON THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT SMALL THINGS OR IF THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TERMS. UM, BUT THEIR LAST LOOK AT ALL OF THIS WAS IN THE SAME TIMEFRAME AS OUR LAST LOOK AT ALL OF THIS.
AND I SAY OUR AS A CITY COOLING OFF PERIODS.
UH, THIS IS MOSTLY JUST TO GIVE YOU A FLAVOR OF THE ROBUST CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD ABOUT OUR COOLING OFF PERIOD IN COMPARISON TO OTHER CITIES AROUND THE STATE.
UM, SO I'LL READ EACH ONE OF THESE TIME.
A TERM LIMITED COUNCIL MEMBER MUST WAIT TO RUN AGAIN AS A COUNCIL MEMBER IN MCKINNEY.
IT'S ONE YEAR GARLAND, TWO YEARS DALLAS, TWO YEARS, UH, BEDFORD.
THREE COLLEYVILLE, SIX CORPUS CHRISTI, SIX HALTON CITY, THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION, UH, TO FORMER MA MAYOR PRO TIMM ROGERS STANDPOINT.
UH, MAYBE THEY FALL IN AN 18 MONTH PERIOD OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
MAYOR MUST WAIT TO RUN AGAIN AS MAYOR.
SAME, UH, MCKINNEY WERE HERE AT ONE YEAR.
IRVING ONE, GARLAND, TWO FRISCO, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
MAYOR MUST WAIT TO RUN AS A COUNCIL MEMBER ONE IN ONE.
SO IF THERE ARE A MAYOR GOING BACK DOWN TO A COUNCIL, CEDAR OVER TO A COUNCIL SEAT.
TREVOR, HOW LONG HAS THIS, HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN THE NORM? EXCUSE ME.
HOW LONG, HOW LONG HAS IT THIS BEEN THE NORM? THAT IT'S JUST ONE YEAR.
HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN IN MCKINNEY OR YOU? MM-HMM.
UH, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE.
I, I WANNA MENTION THERE'S A ONE YEAR COOLING OFF PERIOD.
BUT YOU SAID WE HAVE ELECTIONS EVERY TWO YEARS, BUT THIS IS WHEN HE CAN RUN AGAIN.
SO I'M WONDERING IF IT'S ONE YEAR UNTIL HE CAN ANNOUNCE MAYBE AND THEN HE CAMPAIGNS FOR A YEAR.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? NO, IT IT, RIGHT NOW IT'S ONE YEAR.
IT'S LIKE I SAID, IF SOMEBODY, IF SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, SO IF I, IF I WAS IN DISTRICT TWO, I REPRESENTED DISTRICT TWO AND I, AND I WANTED TO GO FOR AT LARGE, SO I COULD RELINQUISH MY SEAT A YEAR BEFORE THE ELECTION AND THEN I COULD, YOU KNOW, LET THEM COVER FOR ME AND THEN I COULD RUN A YEAR AFTER THAT FOR AT LARGE.
SO YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TO RESIGN.
OR, OR IF THERE WAS A SPECIAL ELECTION.
SO IF I, IF I CAME OFF, SO IF I, IF I CAME OFF THE, AND THEN THERE WAS A SPECIAL ELECTION BECAUSE SOMETHING HAPPENED TO ONE OF THE COUNCIL PEOPLE AT LARGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN I WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR AT LEAST A YEAR.
AND, AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S FINE.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT'S ADEQUATE.
IT'S, IT'S, AND DOES THE SPECIAL ELECTION, DOES THAT COUNT TOWARDS YOUR YEARS? IMAGINE
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NO.YOU HAVE TO TURN A FULL TERM TO BE, DO YOU HAVE TWO FULL TERM BEFORE YOU HAVE THE ONE YEAR COOLING OFF? AND ONE OTHER THING IN STATE LAW IS IF YOU, UH, RESIGN LESS THAN ONE YEAR TO THE END OF YOUR TERM, THE COUNCIL CAN APPOINT A MEMBER TO SERVE THE REST OF THAT LESS THAN ONE YEAR.
IF YOU RESIGN GREATER THAN ONE YEAR AFTER, UH, DURING YOUR TERM AT SPECIAL, YOU HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION IF IT'S GREATER THAN ONE YEAR UNTIL THE END OF YOUR TERM.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT WHAT THIS IS, BUT IT DOES AFFECT THE WAY WE DEAL WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO MOVE OR RESIGN OR WHATEVER.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A MEMBER, UH, THAT WAS RECALLED RECENTLY.
AND THEN HERE'S SOME COMPARISONS OF CITIES THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO RUN IMMEDIATELY FOR A NEW POSITION.
SO AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, UH, THIS EVENING, A COUNCIL MEMBER CAN RUN IMMEDIATELY FOR MAYOR IN THE CITY OF MCKINNEY AND THE OTHER CITIES YOU SEE ON THE LEFT.
A TERM LIMITED MAYOR CAN RUN IMMEDIATELY FOR A COUNCIL MEMBER, AS YOU SEE TO THE RIGHT.
HAS ANYONE EVER, EVER DONE THAT? GONE FROM MAYOR TO COUNCIL MEMBER, MAYOR TO COUNCIL MEMBER? I'M NOT SURE I, I'D RELY ON THE WISDOM OF THE ROOM.
SO THAT'S THE GENERAL CONTEXT OF MOSTLY THE UNIVERSE OF TEXAS CITIES.
THERE ARE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND POPULATION AND WHAT THEY DO IN REGARDS TO TERMS AND TERM, TERM LENGTHS AND TERM LIMITS, HOW IT INTERACTS BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT SEATS.
UM, THIS INFORMATION'S GONNA BE ON A WEBPAGE 2024 CHARTER COMMISSION.
BUT IF YOU TAKE A PICTURE OF THAT QR CODE, IT'LL TAKE YOU RIGHT TO IT.
UM, FOR THE PUBLIC, WE'VE SET UP AN INBOX IF THERE'S ANY INPUT THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO GIVE TO THE COMMISSION, AND WE'LL REPORT BACK ON THAT EACH MEETING.
OR IF THEY WANT TO COME TO A MEETING, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY MORE THAN WELCOME TO AND WE'LL GIVE TIME FOR THEM TO, UH, MAKE THEIR VOICES KNOWN.
UH, 2024 CHARTER@MCKINNEYTEXAS.ORG IS THE, UH, EMAIL FOR THAT.
THAT'LL COME TO MYSELF AND MR. GRIMES JUST FOR ADMINISTRATIVE PURPOSES.
BUT THE BALANCE OF THE TIME IS REALLY YOU ALL'S TO MULL OVER ONE.
AND WE'LL GO BACK AND SWITCH THROUGH THE DIFFERENT SLIDES IF NEED BE OF WHAT OUR CURRENT TERMS ARE, UH, WHAT OUR CURRENT TERM LENGTHS ARE, INTERIM LIMITS, IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION SURROUNDING THOSE LIMITS AND LENGTHS AND TERMS OR THE COMBINATION BETWEEN A SEAT AND A MAYOR AND VICE VERSA.
UM, WE'RE REALLY HERE JUST TO SERVE YOU ALL AS A RESOURCE, AS YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION AS THE COMMISSION.
AND I, I'D SAY VERY, UH, QUICKLY THE TIME IS YOURS.
SO WE CAN BE HERE AND AVAILABLE TO YOU AS LONG AS YOU MAY NEED US.
I, I THINK, UM, ON, ON THE FOUR, THE QUESTION OF THE FOUR YEAR, IT'S GETTING REAL EXPENSIVE TO RUN AN ELECTION IN MCKINNEY.
YOU KNOW, IT USED TO BE YOU COULD A FEW THOUSAND BUCKS AND, BUT NOW IT'S INTO THE TENS AND, AND IF NOT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO RUN AN ELECTION IN MC MCKINNEY.
AND SO I THINK OF FOUR, BRINGING IT DOWN ANY, ANY MORE THAN A FOUR YEAR TERM.
I WOULD NOT BE, I WOULD NOT BE FOUR.
'CAUSE IT'S JUST AN EXPENSIVE THING TO KEEP DOING EVERY MORE OFTEN THAN FOUR YEARS.
AND, UH, SO THAT'S WHY I, I LIKE THE FOUR YEAR TERM.
I LIKE, UH, UM, THE FACT THAT YOU CAN NOT HAVE TO CAMPAIGN ANY, ANY, ANY, ANY SOONER THAN THAT THREE AND A HALF YEAR MARK.
SO THAT'S MY 2 CENTS ON THE FOUR YEAR LIMIT.
MR. ROGERS, IF I CAN ADD SOMETHING, ARE, ARE YOU ASKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE COST FOR THE CITY OR THE COST FOR THE CANDIDATE? COST FOR THE CANDIDATE.
I MEAN, THE COST OF THE CITY'S A, A, A BIG DEAL TOO.
UM, I THINK WHEN Y'ALL DID THAT, THAT WAS A BIG PART OF THE, UM, IT WAS DECISION.
WELL, BUT I MEAN, THE CITY'S GONNA HAVE AN ELECTION EVERY, EVERY TWO YEARS, SO YEAH.
BUT IF, IF IT WENT TO THREE, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS QUICKER, OKAY, NO, THAT'S TRUE.
BUT, UH, SO, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY, SO THAT MAKES EVEN MORE SENSE.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS EVERY YEAR WHEN IT WAS TWO, TWO WAS TERRIBLE.
WE, I THINK WE ALL TALKED THAT OUT,
I'M GLAD YOU PEOPLE GET ELECTION FATIGUE AFTER A WHILE.
I I I, I AGREE WITH, WITH ROD, WITH MR. ROGERS.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOUR TERM SENSE, IF I'M LOOKING AT THE DATA, YOU KNOW, THAT Y'ALL PROVIDED.
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THANKS FOR ALL THE GOOD WORK, BY THE WAY, TREVOR, FOR YOUR YEAH, I, I'LL SHOUT OUT SOMEBODY BEHIND THE SCENES.SHE WORKS IN THE SEA SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
WHAT'S RIZ? SHE DID THE YEOMAN'S WORK ON FINDING A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION.
WELL, S KUDOS TO HER AND YOUR TEAM FOR DOING ALL THIS.
NOW SHE MAY HAVE USED CHAT GPT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IF SHE DID, THAT JUST MEANS SHE'S WORKING SMARTER, NOT HARDER.
UM, BUT IF I WERE TO PULL OUT WHAT I WOULD CALL LEADING PRACTICES FROM ALL THIS DATA, WHICH SEEMS TO BE APPEARING TO ME AS A LEADING PRACTICE, NUMBER ONE, IT'S FOUR YEAR TERMS, TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS IN ANY ONE OFFICE, DEFINITELY A COOLING OFF PERIOD IN BETWEEN.
NOW THE LENGTH OF THAT COOLING OFF PERIOD SEEMS TO VARY.
UM, BUT, UH, UH, TWO CONSECUTIVE FOUR YEAR TERMS IN ANY ONE OFFICE COOLING OFF PERIOD, IF YOU'RE GONNA RUN FOR ANOTHER OFFICE IN THE SAME CITY, BE IT AT LARGE DISTRICT MAYOR, ET CETERA, THAT SEEMS TO BE PREDOMINANTLY HERE.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY, UM, THERE, THERE CERTAINLY IS VALUE TO, TO EXPERIENCE AND CONTINUITY IN, IN ANY LEADERSHIP OF ANY ORGANIZATION AND CERTAINLY WITHIN THE CITY AS OURS.
UM, ELECTED OFFICIALS BY THE NATURE OF THEIR POSITION AND THEIR WORK EXERT HAVE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF INFLUENCE IN HOW THINGS RUN IN THE TOWN, HOW THINGS RUN IN THE CITY.
AND TO ME, THE ART HERE IN BALANCING THAT IS WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE WITH IMPORTANT CONSIDERABLE INFLUENCE.
THE LONGER THEY STAY IN OFFICE, THE GREATER THE RISK OF THE INFLUENCE GOING FROM CONSIDERABLE AND IMPORTANT TO UNDO.
OKAY? YOU CAN HAVE FOLKS WHO ARE WELL MINDED CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, GOOD LEADERS.
THE LONGER THEY ARE IN OFFICE, THE GREATER THEIR INFLUENCE BECOMES.
AND YOU CAN, THERE'S A PIVOT POINT IN THERE SOMEPLACE WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL'S INFLUENCE COULD GO FROM IMPORTANT AND CONSIDERABLE TO FRANKLY AN UNDUE AMOUNT OF INFLUENCE IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SITUATION.
I THINK THAT'S THE ART THAT WE NEED TO BALANCE HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK THAT'S HOW I'M FEELING.
WELL, WELL YOU WANNA GO AHEAD.
I CAN GET THIS TERM LIMIT THING I CAN GET ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT ARGUMENT.
IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S ON THE COUNCIL THAT'S BEEN THERE A WHILE AND IS INVOLVED IN A PROJECT THAT GOES PAST WHAT WOULD NORMALLY BE THE END OF HIS TERM, BUT HE'S VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN AND YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, GEE, TOO BAD YOU CAN'T BE HERE ANYMORE.
UH, YOU TERM OUT AND SOMEBODY ELSE THAT KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENED AND WHERE YOU ARE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE YOUR PLACE.
ON THE OTHER HAND, LIKE YOU SAY, YOU CAN GET THE PAPERWORK GETS UNDUE INFLUENCE, BUT REMEMBER TOO, THERE'S ELECTION EVERY FOUR YEARS.
SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PERSON THAT'S THERE, THEY'RE TERM LIMITED RIGHT THERE.
UH, THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT.
SO EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE TERM LIMITS, YOU HAVE EFFECTIVE TERM LIMITS.
UH, YOU HAVE A TERM AND YOU HAVE TO RUN AGAIN WHEN, WHENEVER YOUR TERM IS UP.
SO THERE'S SORT OF A DEPENDS ON, ON THE JOB YOU DO.
IF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL KNOW PEOPLE, YOU GET SOMETHING HUNG OVER YOU OR PEOPLE DON'T LIKE YOU, YOU'RE OUT, DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHETHER YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB OR NOT.
AND, UH, SO WELL I, I THINK FOR MY PURPOSES, I TEND TO NOT FAVOR TERM LIMITS BECAUSE YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TERM LIMITS EVERY ELECTION.
BUT I CONCEDE YOUR POINT ABOUT HAVING UNDUE INFLUENCE TOO.
AND, AND IF I MAY TO TAG, TAG ALONG WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP, WHICH IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
THERE ARE PROJECTS AND THINGS GOING ON IN A CITY OF OUR SIZE THAT'S GROWING AS RAPIDLY AS WE ARE WHERE YOU SAY, WELL, I WISH THAT PERSON WAS HERE FOR ONE MORE YEAR.
WELL, LET'S TAKE OR TWO MORE YEARS, LET'S TAKE THE NEW CITY HOME.
WE DIDN'T HAVE, WELL, I GUESS WE MAY HAVE, BUT WHERE, WHERE I WAS GOING, WHERE I WAS GOING, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TERM, YOU GOT SOME LIKE, LET'S, THIS CASE DIDN'T HAPPEN.
THE MAYOR TURNS OUT, AND HE WAS, I KNOW, VERY INVOLVED IN GETTING THAT GOING AND SAY SINCE, SORRY GEORGE, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE.
WELL, I WOULD TO THAT, I WOULD SAY EVERY GOOD WELL LED ORGANIZATION HAS A GOOD BENCH MM-HMM.
AND YOU PREPARE FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA BE LEAVING AT A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.
AND, AND THE CASE OF, OF OURS FORM OF GOVERNMENT, WE HAVE A CITY MANAGER WHO'S, WHOSE ROLE.
THAT ROLE IS NOT LIMITED BY TERM.
SO IF WE HAVE A MAJOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT GOING ON, YES.
YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL MEMBER, THE MAYOR WHO STARTED THAT PROJECT MIGHT BE SUNSETTING OUT BEFORE THAT PROJECT IS COMPLETED.
BUT WE DO HAVE A VERY EFFECTIVE CITY STAFF TO SEE IT THROUGH.
AND, AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.
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HERE WOULD BE MY ANSWER TO THAT.TO ME THAT'S THE BENCH BECAUSE I, I, YOU COULD LOOK AT ANY GROUP OF, IN OUR CASE, SEVEN, AND YOU CAN PROBABLY PICK OUT ONE OR TWO PEOPLE AND SAY, ANY ONE OF THOSE COULD BE THE LEADER.
BUT I'LL BET YOU CAN'T PICK ALL SEVEN OF 'EM.
SAY IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
AND I, AND I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT ANY OF THE SEVEN, BUT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS I'VE BEEN IN, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE ORGANIZATION AND SAY, WHO'S CAPABLE OF LEADING THE GROUP? AND YOU, YOU CAN'T LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE GROUP AND SAY, EVERYBODY IN HERE COULD DO IT.
IF YOU CAN, GOD BLESS YOU, YOU'VE PUT TOGETHER AN ASTONISHING GROUP.
THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE BEAST.
SO TO ME IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
WHO'S THE, WHO DO YOU HAVE THAT CAN TAKE OVER IF YOU DROP DEAD TOMORROW? AND THE ANSWER SOMETIMES IS NO, BECAUSE THE BENCH GETS ELECTED.
YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL DOESN'T PICK THEIR NEXT I'M TERMING OUT.
I DON'T GET TO PICK MEYER'S PLACEMENT.
I WAS GONNA SAY I LIKE THE FOUR YEARS.
I DON'T LIKE TWO YEARS AT ALL.
'CAUSE YOU'RE SERVING FOR A YEAR, YOU'RE CAMPAIGNING FOR A YEAR.
I THINK WE'RE DOING GOOD WITH THE FOUR YEAR STAGGERED.
UM, I ALSO, WE GOTTA BE CONSISTENT WITH SCHOOL BOARD.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING WEIRD OUT THERE.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT, IT WORKS WHERE WE ELECT CITY COUNCIL AND SCHOOL BOARD, ALL THE MUNICIPAL RACES ARE CONSISTENT.
UM, I WILL SAY THIS, WE HAVE GROWN EXPONENTIALLY.
THERE IS SO MUCH TALENT IN THE CITY THAT HAS MOVED IN FROM OTHER PLACES THAT I'VE MET.
I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING A GUY WHO WAS JUST THE MAYOR OF, OF SOME, UH, CITY IN CALIFORNIA.
I'VE MET SO MANY WONDERFUL PEOPLE WHO HAVE JUST MOVED HERE.
AND THAT'S WHY I AM FOUR TERM LIMITS FOR SURE.
IF YOU CAN'T GET YOUR JOB DONE IN EIGHT, DONE IN EIGHT YEARS, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BUT I ALSO FEEL LIKE THERE'S SO MUCH TALENT HERE THAT WE HAVE TO ROTATE NEW IDEAS THROUGH.
SO WE DON'T JUST BECOME THE MCKINNEY OF 2015.
WE'VE GOTTA HAVE NEW PEOPLE COMING IN, NEW IDEAS ALL THE TIME TO KEEP THE CITY FRESH AND ALIVE AND EXCITING.
I WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENT, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET PEOPLE TO DO THIS.
YOU'RE A FRIEND THAT WAS A MAYOR BEFORE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY INTEREST IN DOING IT AGAIN.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM.
IT'S THE PROBLEM IS WHETHER YOU CAN GET THAT TALENT TO STEP UP AND SAY, I WANT TO DO IT AGAIN, OR I EVEN WANT TO DO IT.
I AGREE, THERE'S TREMENDOUS TALENT HERE.
BUT LOOK, EVERY TIME WE HAVE AN ELECTION, THERE'S TWO OR THREE PEOPLE RUNNING.
AND I SEE THAT, I SEE THAT AS THE BIGGEST ISSUE.
IT ISN'T A TALENT ISSUE, IT'S A WILLINGNESS TO SERVE ISSUE.
KEITH TURNED ON THE LIGHT ABOUT 10 MINUTES AGO.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? YEAH, JUST KNOW THAT, UH, I WAS GONNA ASK TREVOR A QUESTION.
'CAUSE UH, UH, FOR REFERENCE, I KNOW FRISCO PRETTY WELL.
UM, THEY ARE EVERY THREE YEARS.
UM, SO PLACE ONE AND FOUR I THINK, OR ONE AND THREE DO IT ON A YEAR, AND THEN PLACE TWO AND FOUR DO IT ON THE NEXT YEAR AND THEN PLACE FIVE AND SIX AND THE MAYOR DO IT ON THAT THIRD YEAR.
SO TREVOR, FOR, FOR FRISCO, I MEAN FOR MCKINNEY EVERY YEAR.
SO EVERY YEAR YOU GET AT LEAST TWO.
AND ON THAT THIRD YEAR YOU'LL GET TWO PLACES AND A MAYOR.
AND, AND IN FRISCO, THE MAYOR DOESN'T VOTE UNLESS THERE'S A TIE ON ON THE COUNCIL.
UM, SO TREVOR, FOR, FOR MCKINNEY HERE WOULD, WHAT IS IT LIKE THAT IS EVERY TWO YEARS WE HAVE FOUR TO, TO THREE PLACES ON THE BALLOT.
AND IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE A MIX BASED ON WHAT CADENCE OF THE THREE AND FOUR IS HITTING.
SO THREE AND FOUR ARE BOTH DIVISIBLE BY 12.
AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL HAVE A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE YOU MAY HAVE, UM, UH, MORE OR LESS.
THE OTHER ASPECT IN RECENT HISTORY IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD SPECIAL ELECTIONS KIND OF JUMP IN OUT OF CYCLE.
UH, SO WE'RE A LITTLE OFF OUR CYCLE BASED ON CHANGES OVER, UM, IN OUR, AT LARGE DISTRICT FOUR AND DISTRICT ONE SEATS BECAUSE FOLKS WERE EITHER RECALLED, MOVED TO A DIFFERENT SEAT OR DECIDED THEY WERE GONNA RUN FOR A DIFFERENT OFFICE.
AND THAT'S ALL HAPPENED HERE IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS OR SO.
UM, BUT WE FOR SURE AREN'T DOING IT EVERY YEAR LIKE THEY'RE IN FRISCO.
BUT WE HAVE A DIFFERENT MAKEUP.
WE HAVE TWO AT LARGE SEATS AND AT LARGE MAYOR AND FOUR DISTRICT SEATS.
WHEREAS AS IN FRISCO, THEY HAVE SIX DISTRICT SEATS AND THEY HAVE ONE AT LARGE.
AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IN FRISCO, THE ENTIRE CITY VOTES FOR EACH DISTRICT.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY VOTE ALLEN IN THEIR DISTRICT.
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WHERE FOUR PLACES, FOUR PLACES FOR CITYWIDE VOTE, BUT THEY HAVE TO LIVE IN THAT GEOGRAPHY.I THINK CHRISTMAS IN NOVEMBER, I'M PRETTY SURE.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL GET YOU GOOD INFORMATION.
I WOULD ALSO SAY THIS IS A, THIS IS A LEAN IN TO TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.
SO COMPOSITION, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THESE TYPES OF ISSUES.
WE'RE GONNA SET TERMS ASIDE AND TALK JUST ABOUT NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, TYPES OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, REDISTRICTING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
IS THE ACTION TODAY TO DISCUSS THE TERM ITSELF, THE TYPE OF TERM LIMIT WE WOULD PUT IN PLACE AND THE BREAK IF WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE ONE? THOSE THREE ITEMS? YES.
ANY OF THOSE THREE ITEMS. OKAY.
AND I WOULD SAY IT'S, IT'S NOT ACTION.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA TAKE A VOTE OR ANYTHING TO THAT EFFECT.
UM, YOU MAY MAKE A PREFERENCE THIS EVENING, HOWEVER YOU MAY DECIDE.
LET'S MULL IT OVER FOR A COUPLE WEEKS.
HAVE SOME OFFLINE, OFFLINE CONVERSATIONS, SPEAK WITH THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR.
AND THEN NEXT TIME, AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE GONNA DO WHATEVER IS YOU ALL'S PLEASURE.
UH, FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, IT MAY MAKE SENSE THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR NEXT MEETING, 'CAUSE YOU'LL HAVE THE BENEFIT OF TWO WEEKS TO MULL EVERYTHING OVER AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE COALESCE AROUND A, UH, RECOMMENDATION SPECIFIC TO, TO YOUR POINT, THOSE THREE ITEMS. SO DO WE NEED TO HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE TERM LIMIT SHOULD BE FOUR YEARS, OR THE TERM SHOULD BE FOUR YEARS? ARE THERE PEOPLE THAT FEEL DIFFERENTLY FROM THAT OR DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS THAT THE TERMS OH, OKAY.
I, I I THINK FOUR YEARS IS TOO LONG.
I THINK I KNOW THE, THE COST OF ELECTIONS AND WHAT YOU SAID, BUT I DO THINK YOU LOOK AT KIND OF A COACH'S MODEL IN COLLEGE.
YOU COME IN AND THEN TWO YEARS TO DRIVE ACTION.
YOU USUALLY PEAK BY YEAR THREE.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THROUGH OFFICES, YOU START SEEING AT, AT THE TIME OF THREE YEAR AND THEY'RE GOING INTO THE FOURTH, YOU START TO WEAR, YOU WEAR ON PEOPLE WHOSE CONFIDENCE PEOPLE.
AND I THINK THEY, THEY CAN RUN AGAIN AND GET REELECTED, UM, IF THEY'RE PERFORMING OR THEY NEED TO.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHERE YOU DRIVE YOUR, DRIVE YOUR AGENDA IN THREE YEARS.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT BEEN MY EXPERIENCE WITH WATCHING PEOPLE.
AND FOR THE LAST, YOU KNOW, 12 YEARS.
I MEAN, THEY GENERALLY, THERE'S NO LULL.
I MEAN, I'VE NEVER SEEN THEM THINKING, OH, WELL IT'S JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE, THEIR FOURTH YEAR.
I MEAN, IT JUST, I JUST DON'T SEE IT HAPPEN.
WHAT ABOUT AS FAR AS COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY, UM, CONFIDENCE AND COMMUNITY SUPPORT BY IT? TYPICALLY BY THAT FOURTH YEAR? I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY, YOU'RE, YOU, YOU ARE IN A, IN A GREAT PLACE.
AND, AND, UM, I MEAN I, I WAS IN MY EIGHTH YEAR, I WOULD THINK I WAS JUST AS, AS AS EFFECTIVE AS I, IF I'VE EVER WAS, UH, IN, IN, YOU KNOW, GREAT YEARS.
SO I DON'T THINK, THEN I'M LOOKING AT ALSO THE, THE, THE, THE CITIES THAT ARE LISTED AS THREE YEARS TOO.
I WAS INTERESTED GOING ACROSS THE, THE FOUR, THREE AND TWO YEARS AS FAR AS, UH, PRODUCTIVITY, EFFECTIVENESS OF GOVERNMENT EFFECT THOSE OFFICES.
IF THERE'S ANY STUDIES ON HOW KNOWING, UM, I'VE LIVED IN THREE OF THOSE IN THREE YEARS.
I'VE LIVED IN TWO OF THOSE WITH FOUR YEARS.
UM, JUST AS FAR AS THE DRIVE AND EFFECTIVENESS OF THOSE, OF THOSE, UM, THOSE TERMS, I'VE, I'VE SEEN MORE EFFECTIVE LEADERSHIP IN THREE YEAR TERMS.
BUT, SO THEY DON'T HAVE, I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THREE YEARS, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT COST TO TAXPAYERS FOR THAT EXTRA YEAR.
AND THAT IS A CONSIDERATION JUST 'CAUSE WE JUST DID THE BOND ELECTION AND WE PREPARED FOR COST ABOUT ELECTIONS DEPENDING ON HOW MANY PARTICIPANTS, AND BY PARTICIPANTS I MEAN, GOVERNING ENTITIES ARE GONNA PARTICIPATE IN A MAY UNIFORM ELECTION OR A NOVEMBER ELECTION DATE.
UM, IT CAN BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON THE LOW END TO $200,000 ON THE HIGH END.
AND THAT'S BASED ON THE NUMBER OF QUESTIONS.
IT'S BASED ON THE NUMBER OF POLLING PLACES.
UM, IT'S BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S 13 OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITIES THAT ARE GONNA BEAR SOME OF THE COSTS FROM THE ELECTION OFFICE AND ALL OF THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS.
THAT'S SPLIT, UH, BY POPULATION SIZE.
SO THAT'S JUST A OGS KIND OF DATA POINT FOR YOU.
UM, OUR MOST RECENT, UH, BOND ELECTION, I BELIEVE BECAUSE WE WERE ONE OF THE ONLY ITEMS ON THE MAY 4TH BALLOT WAS RIGHT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ONE 70 OH A HUNDRED, UM HUNDRED, 15,000 HUNDRED 15, EXCUSE ME.
AND THERE WERE 26 ENTITIES, 26 ENTITIES ON THE BALLOT.
IS THERE ANY DATA REGARDING THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO GET A CITY PROJECT FROM START TO FINISH? LIKE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DEALING WITH ON A DAILY BASIS IS,
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IS THERE ANY DATA CIP PROGRAM IS IN REGARDS TO TIMELINES? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.OUR PROJECTS ARE ACROSS THE BOARD.
WE HAVE C-I-P-C-I-P PROJECTS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM PROJECTS THAT TAKE MULTIPLE YEARS.
UM, AND WE'LL HAVE OTHER PROJECTS THAT TAKE SIX MONTHS.
WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I, ONE THING I WOULD POINT OUT IS MAKE SURE YOU RECOGNIZE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN POLITICAL POLICY LEADERSHIP AND ADMINISTRATIVE.
EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP PROJECTS ARE GENERALLY DRIVEN BY THE EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM.
AND THEN, AND THEY, THE CONCEPT BEHIND THAT IS TO TRANS, UH, TO, TO TRANSCEND POLITICAL LEADERSHIP BECAUSE THEY GOT, YOU GOT PROFESSIONAL STAFF CARRYING PROJECTS FORWARD, AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR POLITICAL AND POLICY LEADERSHIP TO BASICALLY GET THE DECISION MAKING DONE.
TO PROVIDE THE, MAKING THE DECISIONS ON WHAT PROJECTS TO TAKE ON.
BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACROSS THE BOARD, AJ, THEY, YOU HAVE SOME PROJECTS.
WE HAVE SOME PROJECTS THAT THE FBO COMES TO MIND.
THAT MUST HAVE BEEN SIX YEARS, UH, MAYBE EIGHT, UH, FROM START TO FINISH.
SO, UH, I, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE FOUR YEAR TERM IN TERMS OF TERM LIMITS.
MY QUESTION IS, HAS THERE RECENTLY, IN RECENT YEARS, I'LL SAY THE LAST 10 YEARS, HAS THERE BEEN ANY MUNICIPALITY THAT HAS GONE FROM TURN LIMITS TO NO TERM LIMITS? I KNOW THE INVOICE HAPPENED.
YEAH, I KNOW ALAN IS THE MOST, THE CLOSEST GEOGRAPHIC EXAMPLE THAT DID THE OPPOSITE.
UH, THEY HAD A LONG HISTORY OF NO TERM LIMITS.
THEY HAD A MAYOR THAT I BELIEVE WAS IN OFFICE FROM THE EIGHTIES TO VERY TERRIBLE 2018 OR SO.
SO THE OPPOSITE HAS HAPPENED IN A FEW DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE TREND THAT I SEE.
I JUST, UM, THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME.
I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE THE PUBLIC SUPPORTING THAT.
WELL, AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD JUST CLARIFY IS SOME OF THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE OPTIONS.
YOU, YOU COULD LIMIT, YOU COULD JUST ELIMINATE TERM LIMITS OR YOU COULD CHANGE THE TERM LIMITS.
AND SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S TRUE.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANYONE IN FAVOR OF JUST UNLIMITED TERMS IN OFFICE LIKE ALLEN EXPERIENCED WITH THE PREVIOUS MAYOR? NO, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR THAT VIEWER.
I, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT THE POPULAR, UH, POSITION TO TAKE, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TERM LIMITS.
I THINK IS, THAT, IS MAYBE RAINIER JOHN POINTED OUT, UH, WE GET TO GO VOTE AND WE GET TO VOTE PEOPLE IN OR OUT.
NOW A LOT OF TIMES, AS WE'VE SEEN, THERE'S SUCH MORE TURNOUT THAT PEOPLE DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE A CHANGE.
BUT IF YOU JUST TAKE A LOOK AT OUR CURRENT CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS IN TEXAS, WE HAVE 38 MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.
23 OF THOSE HAVE SERVED LESS, SIX OR LESS YEARS.
YOU ONLY HAVE TWO OR THREE THAT HAVE BEEN IN THAT LONG 25 YEAR TERM.
AND ONE OF THOSE CAKE RANGERS RETIRING, MICHAEL BURGESS IS RETIRING.
SO YOU SEE THAT TURNOVER OCCUR.
WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE IS HAVE A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF NEWBIES COMING IN AT THE SAME TIME, OR A LOT OF TURNOVER.
AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY THE FOUR YEAR TERM MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, THAT PEOPLE THAT DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE JOB IS WHEN THEY RUN IT, IT SOUNDS GREAT.
AND THEN THEY GET IN AND THEN THEY HAVE TO SEARCH.
AND THEY HAVEN'T LEARNED YET WHAT THAT ENTAILS.
AND SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT ELIMINATING TERM LIMITS IS PROBABLY NOT THE DIRECTION THAT THIS GROUP WOULD GO, BUT I WOULD BE OPPOSED TO US REDUCING THE TERM LIMITS FURTHER THAN THEY, I MEAN, SO THE TERM LENGTHS, EXCUSE ME, FURTHER THAN THEY ARE CURRENTLY.
SO YOU'D STAY WITH FOUR, YOU'D STAY WITH FOUR YEARS.
TWO, I'M SORRY, YOU'D STAY WITH FOUR YEARS.
I THOUGHT IF I COULDN'T GET IT TO ELIMINATE TERM LIMITS.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY.
I, I THINK, I THINK ELIMINATING TERM LIMITS, THERE'S NO PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR THAT.
THERE'S NOT, THAT'S NOT GONNA ASK NO PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR THAT AT ALL.
AND, AND, UM, UH, NOW AS SOMEONE WHO RETIRED FROM A JOB THAT HE REALLY, REALLY LOVED WITH A FIRM THAT HE REALLY, REALLY LOVED BECAUSE HE HIT THE MANDATORY RETIREMENT AGE, I UNDERSTAND HOW HARD IT IS, HOW HARD IT CAN BE PERHAPS TO WALK AWAY FROM THE DAYS.
I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, COME ON.
WE, WE GET PSYCHIC REWARDS FROM THE WORK THAT WE DO.
I GET WHY PEOPLE WANNA STAY THERE.
TRUST ME, I WOULD'VE STAYED, BUT I SIGNED A CONTRACT THAT SAID I HAD TO LEAVE.
UH, MUCH THE SAME WAY THAT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS REALLY, TRULY LOVE THEIR WORK AND WANNA STAY WITH IT.
BUT YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T BE THERE FOREVER.
I I I THINK THAT, UM, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE THE STOMACH TO CHANGE
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ANYTHING ABOUT OUR FOUR YEARS, TWO, FOUR YEARS.I, I JUST DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE CITY OF MCKINNEY AS A WHOLE IS GONNA TO BE FOR THAT.
I THINK IF WE COME IN AND SAY, OH YEAH, LET'S ADD ANOTHER FOUR YEAR TERM.
I MEAN, IF WE COULD PICK AND CHOOSE FOR WHO WE WANTED IT TO, MAYBE THAT'LL WORK.
SO I AM, I AM NOT FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
UH, THEN I, I THINK WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A GREAT SITUATION AND I, I'M NOT, UM, I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO CHANGE IT.
DID, DID I UNDERSTAND YOU SAY WE HAVE AN ELECTION EVERY TWO YEARS ANYWAY, SO I'M, YES, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SEEING WHY, WHETHER THERE'S ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS OR NOT ON THE AGENDA CHANGES THE COST.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF, OR A COUNCIL ELECTION THAT AFFECTS THE COST IF WE HAVE ONE.
I THINK, I THINK THE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT IF YOU, IF YOU SHIFTED TO, FOR INSTANCE, A THREE YEAR TERM NO, I GET THAT.
BUT IF WE LEAVE IT IN FOUR, BUT WE HAVE AN ELECTION YEAR TWO BUDGET.
I, I, WHAT I SAY IS I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A FACTOR.
THE, THE COST THAT I KEPT BRINGING UP IS TO THE, THE CANDIDATE.
I AGREE WITH THE TERM CANDIDATE.
LIKE I'M FINE WITH THE FOUR YEARS, BUT I'M GONNA AGREE WITH HIM.
EVERY TIME YOU'RE UP FOR ELECTION, IT'S A TERM LIMIT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE COMMUNITY GO FORWARD OR NOT, BUT I, I JUST DON'T LIKE THE, LIKE THE FRIEND THAT SAID HE WAS FORCED TO RETIRE.
WELL, YOU MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THEY PUT A GUN.
TO MY HEAD, THAT WASN'T TRUE AT ALL.
I WORKED FOR THE SAME KIND OF COMPANY HE HAD TO RETIRE.
YOU KNOW, I JUST, UH, HEY, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT SOMETHING.
UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SERVED AND YOU HAD A SHORTER TERM THAN FOUR YEARS, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IN 2011, WHEN IT MOVED FROM THREE TO FOUR, THE REASON THAT IT HAPPENED WAS BECAUSE THEY FELT THAT THAT WAS THE ENOUGH TIME TO BE EFFECTIVE OR SEASONED.
SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SERVED LESS THAN FOUR, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAD THE ABILITY TO BE EFFECTIVE? DO YOU FEEL LIKE IF, IF YOU HAD SERVED A FOUR YEAR TERM, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN EFFECTIVE? BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE PIVOT POINT IS HOW YOU'RE EFFECTIVE AND ARE YOU SEASONED ENOUGH? DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIENCE? ARE YOU REALLY EFFECTIVE TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO? MCKINNEY, BACK IN THE DAY WHEN IT WAS SO MUCH SMALLER AS COMPARED TO WHAT WE ARE TODAY AND HOW MUCH WE'RE GROWING, AND I FEEL LIKE THAT OUR PROJECTS ARE GONNA BE MUCH BIGGER AND TAKE MORE TIME AND MORE MONEY AND MORE EFFORT.
SO DO YOU THINK THAT IF WE WERE TO LOWER THE TERM LIMIT, WOULD WE BE EFFECTIVE IN THE PROJECTS THAT ARE UPCOMING? ARE YOU SAYING LOWER THE TERM LIMIT OR LOWER THE TERM? THE TERM.
THE TERM, SORRY, A FOUR TO THREE.
I SERVED TWOS AND THREES, TWOS WAS RIDICULOUS.
YOU, YOU RUN FOR OFFICE, YOU GET IN THERE, IT TAKES YOU SIX MONTHS TO GET YOUR, GET YOUR BEARINGS.
YOU KNOW? AND, AND THAT WAS, THAT WASN'T VERY GOOD.
THREE YEARS I THOUGHT WAS GOOD, BUT I, I, I'M PERSONALLY IN FAVOR OF FOUR.
I THINK THE FOURS WORKED WELL AND I DO BELIEVE THE COST, NOT TO THE CANDIDATE, BUT TO THE CITY WAS, WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY LOOKED AT PRETTY HARD AT THE TIME.
SO, AND, AND IT'S NOT AS BIG A NUMBER AS I THOUGHT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
BUT, UH, I DO LIKE THE FOUR YEAR TERMS DEFINITELY.
I LIKE IT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT I CAN OFFER PERSPECTIVE.
I SERVED ONE FOUR YEAR TERM AND ONE THREE YEAR TERM.
SO I JUST APPRECIATED THE OPPORTUNITY TO, I MEAN, THERE IS, I THINK OTHER PEOPLE IN THE ROOM HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND SERVING FOR OFFICE AND THERE IS A LEARNING LINK THERE.
OR JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA SPEND A GOOD PART OF YOUR FIRST YEAR JUST, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE LAY OF THE LAND AND LEARNING ALL THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TERMS AND JUST GETTING FAMILIAR WITH THE BUSINESS OF, OF WORKING AS A CITY COUNCIL PERSON.
UM, SO HAVING THOSE, HAVING THREE YEARS TO JUST PURELY FOCUS ON SERVING BEFORE YOU HAVE TO START RUNNING AGAIN, UM, WAS, I THOUGHT IT WAS, IT JUST WAS HELPFUL TO ME AS A COUNCIL PERSON.
I WOULD, AND THAT'S WHY I'M SUGGESTING FOR, JUST 'CAUSE WE'RE WORKING ON THE FLY HERE, I WANNA MAKE A, UH, UH, FROM THE CUTTING ROOM FLOOR UPDATE.
'CAUSE WE MENTIONED COST JUST NOW, WE SAID 115, THAT WAS LIKE WHAT WE PAID TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE OF THE WAY OUR CHARTER'S WRITTEN IN STATE LAW.
WE HAVE TO PUBLISH IN A PAPER OF RECORD.
SO TOTAL COST FOR, UH, ELECTION WAS 1 75.
SO I, MY REACTION TO THAT, TREVOR, IS THAT'S NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY AND IT'S JUST GONNA GO UP YEAH.
BUT, BUT IN, IN THE CITY, OUR SIZE AND THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE NOW, I MEAN, THAT'S ALMOST A ROUNDING ERROR.
OUR OVERALL BUDGET, IT'S NOT INSIGNIFICANT, BUT THE OVERALL BUDGET OF THE CITY IS SO MUCH GREATER NOW THAN IT WAS.
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RELUCTANT TO JUST LET ECONOMICS DRIVE THE DECISION.I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY MY MISSTATEMENT EARLIER.
I, I APPRECIATE, I WOULDN'T LET THIS BE DRIVEN BY AN ECONOMIC CONSIDERATION.
SO I HAVE KIND OF TWO THOUGHTS HERE.
ONE, SINCE OUR OPTIONS ARE TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, AND FOUR YEARS, IS IT WORTHWHILE TO TAKE A VOTE TO SEE WHERE EVERYONE STANDS TO SEE IF WE HAVE A MAJORITY IN ONE GENERAL DIRECTION? AND ALSO AS WE LOOK AT ALL OF THE CRITERIA TO SOME PEOPLE, TERM LIMITS MAY NOT BE THE PRIORITY IN THEIR MIND.
SO I THINK THAT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING TOO.
HOW SIGNIFICANT IS TERM LIMITS TO YOU OR YOUR CONSTITUENTS OR WHATEVER IDEAS YOU'RE BRINGING TO THE TABLE? 'CAUSE IF THE COUPLE OF US THAT MIGHT FEEL DIFFERENT, IF THAT'S NOT REALLY YOUR PRIORITY, THAT I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF TIME AND EFFICIENCY, WE CAN AT LEAST REPORT WHAT THE MAJORITY IS, KEEP THE CONVERSATION GOING AND THEN GET TO A GENERAL CONSENSUS MAYBE A LITTLE LATER.
I FEEL LIKE MOST OF US FEEL GOOD ABOUT KEEPING THE FOUR YEAR TERM, TWO FOUR YEAR TERMS. IS THAT WHAT I MEAN? WE'RE
WE, WE'VE BEEN HERE AN HOUR AND 20 MINUTES IN THE FIRST MEETING OF SIX, WHICH IS WHAT, 16 HOURS WORTH OF MEETINGS.
AND IT, IS IT TOO SOON TO SAY, LET'S VOTE UP OR DOWN TWO, THREE OR FOUR WITHOUT HEARING THE REST OF THE DATA THE STAFF HAS PUT TOGETHER.
IS THERE ANY ADVANTAGE TO MAKING A DECISION NOW VERSUS, WHY DON'T WE JUST WAIT AND HEAR WHAT PAUL AND TREVOR AND MARK HAVE PUT TOGETHER? I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT.
YOU, YOU, THERE COULD BE A CHANCE FOR EVEN YOU LAUREN, CHANGED YOUR MIND IN SURE.
I WASN'T UNDER THE IMPRESSION WE NEEDED TO ORGANIZE AND AT LEAST COME UP WITH CONCEPTS TODAY AFTER WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE, WE'LL ALL BE SMARTER ON THAT TOPIC.
IS THERE MORE, IS THERE MORE DATA FORTHCOMING THAT YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY PRESENTED? SO THE, THE ONLY ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE ON, IF YOU GO TO THIS WEBPAGE FROM THE QR CODE, THERE IS A NEW PRETTY MUCH ROBUST SPREADSHEET THAT'S ON A PDF FORMAT THAT GIVES YOU ALL OF THE QUESTIONS.
WE ASKED A RANGE OF CITIES ABOUT TERMS TERM LENGTHS, COMPENSATION, COMPOSITION, UM, AND, UH, ONE OTHER ITEM THAT'S ESCAPING ME RIGHT NOW, AND THOSE ARE ALL THE CITIES THAT WE INTERVIEWED OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
MOST OF THOSE HAVE BEEN REPRESENTED IN THE PRESENT, THE BRIEF PRESENTATION THAT YOU'VE SEEN TODAY.
UM, I'LL ALSO MENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THE HUNT.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY INCUMBENT UPON THE COMMISSION TO ARRIVE AT WHAT THEIR PREFERENCE IS TO RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL.
WHETHER THAT HAPPENS THIS EVENING OR IT HAPPENS IN, UH, FIVE WEEKS.
I LIKE TO SAY MR. GRIMES PAYS ME BY THE YEAR, NOT BY THE HOUR.
UH, THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS THERE YOU, ONE THING YOU MIGHT WANNA DO TO SORT OF MOVE ALONG IS ASK YOURSELF A SET OF THRESHOLD QUESTIONS.
ASK YOURSELF THE THRESHOLD QUESTION IS FOUR YEARS APPRO APPROPRIATE LENGTH? AND IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO STRONGLY FEELS OPPOSITE THAT SPEAK UP AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MAKE THE DECISION TODAY.
IF YOU SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GOOD WITH FOUR YEARS.
THAT LIMITS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DECIDE ON A NUMBER OF TERMS. AND THEN YOU CAN DISCUSSION CAN KIND OF FOCUS ON THAT.
BUT OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME GETTING WRAPPED AROUND THE AXLE OF TERM LENGTH.
WHEN, WHEN YOU MIGHT ALL BE, BE SURPRISED TO FIND OUT.
THE CONSENSUS GENERALLY STICK WITH FOUR YEARS.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, MOVE ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION IF YOU'D LIKE.
AND THEN APPROACH IT WITH SOME THRESHOLD QUESTIONS.
ARE WE FINE WITH THE CURRENT ARRANGEMENT OR NOT? AND IF, IF NOT, THEN WHAT WOULD WE CHANGE IT TO? FIRST WE LOOKING AT, UH, ADDING MORE DISTRICTS.
THAT WILL BE, THAT'S NEXT WEEK.
SO WOULDN'T WE WANT TO PUT A PIN IN THIS THEN, SO THAT IF WE DO, 'CAUSE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ADDING THREE MORE DISTRICTS AND WE'RE DOING THREE YEARS, IT'S YOU'RE HAVING ELECTIONS EVERY YEAH.
I MEAN IT'S JUST, YOU'RE GONNA BE, YEAH.
SO IT'S, I DON'T THINK AT EVERY MEETING WE NEED TO DECIDE.
NO, BUT I THINK THERE AT LEAST NEEDS TO BE A MAJORITY OR LIKE A LEAD STRATEGY.
SO WE VET THAT AS WE LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER THINGS TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE DID IN THE FIRST MEETING ISN'T BROKE BY MEETING THREE.
I LIKE THE METAPHOR OF THE PUTTING A PIN IN IT BECAUSE IMAGINE PUTTING, LITERALLY PINNING SOMETHING ON THE BOARD SAYING, YOU KNOW, FOUR YEAR TERM LENGTH, BUT THE NEXT CONVERSATION COULD, COULD CHANGE THAT.
OR THE NUMBER, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? TALKING ABOUT DISTRICT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF DISTRICTS, YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT'S THREE YEAR TERM IS BETTER IF YOU DID, IF YOU ADDED TWO SEATS OR FOUR SEATS, WHATEVER.
JUST, I, I, I, I PROBABLY, I'M DEFINITELY THE MINORITY HERE AS FAR AS, UM, THREE YEARS.
I JUST FEEL AS THOUGH, UH, IT REALLY KEEPS THE ELECTED OFFICIAL MOTIVATED AND HUNGRY AND ENGAGED IN THE DISTRICT.
AND I FEEL AS THOUGH, UM, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE SEEN MAYORS THAT HAVE BEEN FOR FOUR YEARS ARE IN THEIR FOURTH YEAR, AND THEY'RE, THEY, THEY DO WHAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.
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YOU KNOW, THERE'S, ESPECIALLY MCKINNEY'S, WE'RE LOOKING AT SO MANY MORE PEOPLE COMING INTO MCKINNEY, STAYING IN TOUCH WITH THE NEW PEOPLE COMING IN, UM, AND, AND BEING ENGAGED IN, IN THE DIVERSIFICATION OF THE CITY AS WELL.SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW I COME THREE YEARS.
KEEPS PEOPLE PRETTY IN TUNED, PRETTY HUNGRY AND PRETTY ENGAGED.
SO I MEAN, A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS HERE.
I'M WONDERING, BILL, IF WE MIGHT JUST, UH, KIND OF TAKE A STRAW POLL, NOT A VOTE PER SE, BUT JUST A KIND OF A SOFT, UM, GET A SOFT INDICATOR OF, SO OUR, OF WHAT THE TEMPERAMENT IS SURROUNDING JUST THE FOYER, WE CAN COME BACK AND CHANGE IT.
WE GET OTHER PEOPLE AROUND THE TABLE, OR OUR LAWYER, OUR LAWYER HAS LANGUAGE FOR THAT.
HE SAYS YOU CAN REACH, REACH A TENTATIVE DECISION, SUBJECT TO FINAL DECISION.
JUST SO WE GIVE STAFF A SIGNAL TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE STAFF A LITTLE BIT OF A SIGNAL.
I STILL THINK THERE'S DATA TO THAT WE WILL BE HEARING THAT WILL HELP US MAYBE, OR MIGHT CHANGE OUR MIND THAT WE HAVE MORE THAN SEVEN MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
IF THE, IF THE GROUP HAS A FEELING OF LET'S, LET'S LEAVE THE ROOM WITH TWO, THREE, OR FOUR AND LET'S LEAVE THE ROOM TWO, THREE OR FOUR.
WHY DON'T YOU AND LAUREN LEAD THAT CONVERSATION?
I JUST THINK WE'RE, I JUST THINK WE'RE CLOSER TOGETHER ON THIS ISSUE THAN MAYBE SOME OTHER ISSUES.
AND SO THE INTEREST OF TIME, IF MOST PEOPLE AREN'T OPPOSED TO FOUR, SOME LIKE THREE.
TO ME, THAT'S ENOUGH MENTALLY TO GO TO THE NEXT TOPIC.
BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE FEELS THAT WAY.
I'M SEEING MOST PEOPLE LIKE FOUR.
IF THAT'S NOT TRUE, LET'S KEEP TALKING.
BUT IF THAT IS TRUE, LET'S DO SO.
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN EVERYONE AND SOME, SOME OF US, AND I DON'T THINK EVERYONE IN THE ROOM IS AGREEING WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT IT DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU MANY PEOPLE BE MISSING.
TREVOR, I HAVE A DIFFERENT QUESTION.
THAT, AND THIS, THIS MAY BE MORE A LEGAL QUESTION.
IF IT'S THE FIRST TIME I HEARD ANYONE SAY WE MAY HAVE MORE DISTRICTS, IF WE HAVE MORE DISTRICTS, DOES THAT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN WE HAVE MORE COUNCIL PEOPLE? WE HAD, SO IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER DISTRICT, SO IF THE CHOICE IS, IF YOU MAKE THE EXISTING DISTRICTS LARGER OR WE ADD MORE AND THE COUNCIL GOES FROM SEVEN TO 8, 9, 10, OR BLACK DALLAS 32 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER THAT IS NEXT.
OUR NEXT MEETING'S DISCUSSION.
I DON'T WANNA STEAL THE THUNDER FOR MR. SEQUI, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE IS, UH, ROOM FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT GOING TO ALL SINGLE MEMBER TO MORE MEMBERS.
ALL THOSE QUESTIONS THAT COULD DRIVE THE DATES FOR ELECTIONS.
WELL, SO MY QUESTION WAS, IF WE SAID WE WANT TO ADD A DISTRICT, BY DEFINITION WE'LL HAVE TO ADD A COUNCIL MEMBER, CORRECT? RIGHT.
YOU WANT AN ODD NUMBER? AN ODD NUMBER? YOU CAN HAVE AN EITHER NUMBER.
BUT BILL, MR. CHAIR, WE'RE MISSING A FEW PEOPLE HERE WHO HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE, A CHANCE TO PROVIDE US ANY INPUT.
I THINK IT'D BE OKAY TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TABLE THIS UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING.
GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO THINK ABOUT A LITTLE MORE, LOOK AT MORE INFORMATION.
THERE SEEMS TO BE A PREVAILING SENTIMENT, BUT TO YOUR POINT, IT'S NOT UNANIMOUS.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, CONSENSUS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FROM THE GROUP.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GET YOU A MINUTE.
BUT THOSE OTHER PEOPLE, YEAH, THOSE OTHER PEOPLE WEREN'T HERE FOR THIS MEETING ON THIS TOPIC.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE SPENT AN HOUR AND A HALF TALKING, HOW ARE WE GONNA BRING THEM UP TO DATE ON THAT? SO, SO IS THERE, I FEEL LIKE IF WE JUST WENT AROUND THE ROOM AND SAY WHERE EVERYBODY'S AT, WE COULD, SOMEBODY COULD TAKE NOTES AND WE COULD KIND OF FIGURE OUT, I DO THINK IT'S OBVIOUSLY WE NEED MORE DATA AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GOOD.
WE'RE GONNA SEE MOVING FORWARD.
BUT WE CAN AT LEAST ELIMINATE THE TWO GEAR.
I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S THINGS WE, WE CAN PROBABLY ELIMINATE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, GETTING MORE DATA, THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE WE NEED TO BE BEFORE WE MAKE ANY KIND OF DECISION.
DO THEY HAVE THE DATA? I WOULD BE CURIOUS AT WHAT DATA WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK FOR.
UH, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M NOT, NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA.
WHAT, WHAT DATA WOULD WE BE LOOKING FOR? WE, WE'VE GOT THE DATA FOR, FOR THE CITIES THAT WE HAVE UP THERE.
UH, THEIR TERM LIMITS, THEIR TERMS, UH, HOW THEY STRUCTURE THEIR, THEIR SYSTEM.
WHAT MORE DATA ARE WE, ARE WE LOOKING FOR? I'M NOT TRYING TO BE, I I'M WITH YOU.
I THINK IF YOU MENTIONED TREVOR, THERE'S ADDITIONAL DOCUMENT THAT WAS NOT IN THIS PRESENTATION THAT HAS THE, THE DETAIL.
YOU CAN GO AND DIG THROUGH THAT IF YOU WANT, BUT THIS ROLLS IT ALL UP ALREADY.
UH, IN RELATION TO TERMS AND YEAH, YEAH.
BUT THERE'S OTHER DATA FROM AND TERM LIMITS COMPENSATION.
WELL THE ONE THING THAT COULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THAT IS WE EXPANDED THE NUMBER OF DISTRICTS AND THE NUMBER OF COUNCIL PEOPLE WE HAVE.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER YOU LIKE FOUR YEARS FOR ALL 13 OF THEM OR WHATEVER THAT THAT'S RIGHT.
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I THINK, I THINK THE ENTIRE PACKAGE IS, I THINK THE ENTIRE PACKAGE IS VALUABLE TO MAKING WHAT EXACTLY THE ENTIRE PACKAGE ON THIS IS VALUABLE.WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER DECISIONS SAY, AND AS FAR AS THAT, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE ADDING MORE COUNCIL MEMBERS, MORE, THE MORE COUNCIL MEMBERS YOU HAVE, THE MORE DIFFICULT IT IS TO GET TO A DECISION BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS AN OPINION.
THEY NEVER, THEY'RE AT YEARS A PLACE THAT'S DYSFUNCTIONAL.
THEY'RE AT TWO YEARS, MAYBE IN TWO YEARS, BUT DOESN'T MATTER.
THEY DON'T GET, THEY DON'T GET MUCH DONE.
'CAUSE HOW MANY DO THEY HAVE? 16.
WELL, IT'S GOTTA BE AN ODD NUMBER.
DO WE WANNA KEEP TALKING ABOUT TERM OR MOVE THE TOPIC TO ONE OF THE OTHER TWO AT THIS POINT? BILL, I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT YOU.
YOU MEAN ON, ON THE OTHER TWO? THE GAP.
THOSE ARE STILL NO, I WAS GONNA SAY WE'RE NOT PREPARED FOR THE GAP.
TOPICS GAP, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TERM.
WE GOT TWO MORE ITEMS. I, IF I COULD LENGTH.
YEAH, IF I COULD JUST, 'CAUSE I DON'T HATE MR. HAZELWOOD'S, UH, COMMENT ABOUT IS THERE ANYONE THAT FEELS COMPELLED ABOUT GOING TO A TWO YEAR TERM? THAT THAT'S, AND THE ONLY REASON I MENTION THAT IS THAT REMOVES SOMETHING FROM THE BLANKET OF POSSIBILITIES.
RIGHT? UH, I'LL ALSO SAY FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE AND PROCESS STANDPOINT, OUR INTENT IS TO GATHER THE CONVERSATION.
I'LL STAY HERE AS LONG AS POSSIBLE.
UM, BUT WE'LL GATHER INFORMATION IN THE EVENT THAT THERE ISN'T JUST ROBUST CONSENSUS ON A GIVEN ITEM.
AT THE END OF ONE OF OUR MEETINGS, WE'LL COME BACK PREPARED TO, UH, DO SOMETHING WE CALL SLIDO, WHICH IS WHERE WE'LL PUT A QUESTION ON THE SCREEN AND IT'LL BE YES, NO, OR ONE, TWO, OR THREE, FOUR, WHATEVER THE RESULT OF THAT IS TO KIND OF DO ONE OF THOSE QUASI STRAW POLLS OR WHATEVER LEGALESE THAT MR. HOUSER CAME UP WITH.
UM, SO FROM A PROCESS AND ADMINISTRATIVE STANDPOINT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA COMMIT TO DO TO YOU.
BUT AGAIN, UM, IF, IF TWO IS OFF THE TABLE, THEN WE CAN TAKE THAT TAKE OFF THREE.
I MEAN, HOW MANY WANTS, VINCENT? IT'S THREE.
I MEAN THIS, THIS LADY, I'M HEARING MARYANNE LIKES THREE.
AND THEN I HAVE A COUPLE GENTLEMEN OVER HERE WHO SAY IT'S TOO EARLY TO ELIMINATE A THREE YEAR TERM IS WHAT I'M HEARING.
WITHOUT MORE DATA, MORE TIME IN THIS GROUP.
I MEAN THIS GROUP THAT'S RIGHT.
UH, AND REMEMBER THAT THERE ARE, THERE, WHILE THERE ARE PEOPLE MISSING THIS MEETING, THERE WILL BE PE PEOPLE MISSING THE OTHER MEETINGS TOO.
SO NO MEETING'S GONNA HAVE ALL 21 MEMBERS BEING ABLE TO SPEAK UP.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO OUR BEST IN MAKING A DECISION, UM, WITH WHO WE HAVE.
UM, AND, AND SO I THINK THE DECISION'S FOUR.
I MEAN THAT'S, WELL, I WELLS THE OTHER QUESTION IS, ARE PEOPLE READY TO MAKE A DECISION ON FOR, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE QUESTION TO ASK BECAUSE THERE IS, AGAIN, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT, WELL, TWO'S OUT, THREE'S OUT FOUR IS THE ONLY OPTION.
'CAUSE THERE'S NOT AS FIVE, WELL, THREE IS THREE OUT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M I'M SAYING THERE'S PEOPLE THAT MAY NOT BE READY TO MAKE A DECISION ON FOUR.
WOULD IT JUST BE APPROPRIATE TODAY? LOOK AT I'M, I'M THREE.
BUT THERE MIGHT BE, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE VOICE THAT THEY'RE NOT READY, THEY'RE NOT SURE IF THEY'RE READY TO MAKE A DECISION.
I THINK WHAT I WAS SAYING, IF WE CAN GET MORE DATA, WHATEVER WE CALL 'EM, THAT LIMITS, THAT'S WHERE I HAD AN ISSUE NOT SEEING EVERYTHING, I GUESS.
SO YOUR YOURS, WHAT YOUR ISSUE IS NOT WITH THE LENGTH, NOT SO MUCH IN THE LENGTH.
I I'M NOT, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THREE.
UM, BUT IT'S THAT LIMITS PIECE I THINK WAS YOURS ALSO, BILL, YOUR, YOUR HESITATION WAS ON THE LENGTH ION IS IF WE GO FROM SEVEN TO A DIFFERENT NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THREE OR FOUR AFFECT THAT? AND THAT THAT'S DATA THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET THAT YOU HAVE? I, YEAH.
DO WE HAVE THAT? I MEAN, WE DO HAVE, I GUESS THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF A COUNCIL AND THEN THE LENGTH OF THEIR TERMS. AND YOU CAN KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT AND EVALUATE IT.
IT, IF YOU ADDED TWO SEATS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND YOU WENT TO A NINE MEMBER CITY COUNCIL, WHICH IS FAIRLY COMMON, UM, WOULD IT BE BETTER TO DO FOUR YEAR TERMS OR THREE YEAR TERM, THREE PEOPLE EVERY THREE YEAR OR EVERY YEAR YOU DO THREE PEOPLE UP FOR AN REELECTION OR AN ELECTION.
UM, BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF WAYS TO SKIN THE CAT ON THIS.
YOU COULD DO, I'VE WORKED FOR, UM, NINE MEMBER CITY COUNCILS AND YOU HAD A BLEND.
YOU HAD SOME AT LARGE, YOU HAD THREE AT LARGE PLUS SIX, UM, DISTRICT COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO THEY, THEY, LIKE WE ARE TODAY, WERE BLENDED WITH, WITH TWO AND FOUR PLUS THE MAYOR.
UM, THE ONLY THING IS, IS WE COULD, AT THE NEXT MEETING, IF YOU'RE NOT READY TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT LENGTH OF THE TERM, LIKE I SAID, YOU COULD PUT A PIN ON IT AND SAY WE'RE GENERALLY CONS.
THE CONSENSUS IS GENERALLY AT FOUR YEAR TERMS, BUT IT'S SUBJECT TO WHAT WE DECIDE ON THE COMPOSITION OF THE COUNCIL.
'CAUSE THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO COME BACK AND REVISIT IT.
OR WE COULD WAIT AND YOU COULD ADDRESS THIS THING.
TRY TO WRAP IT UP EARLY AT THE NEXT MEETING.
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RIGHT.AND YOU COULD FOLLOW THAT CADENCE FOR EVERY ONE OF 'EM.
YOU COULD SAY, WE GOT TWO WEEKS OF TIME TO COGITATE ON THE DATA AND THE INFORMATION AND WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AND TRY TO FINALIZE THAT DISCUSSION AND THEN, THEN MOVE ON TO THE MEET OF THE NEXT MEETING.
PAUL, LET ME ASK YOU, INTERPRET THIS.
IS IT THE GOAL OF STAFF FOR US TO COME OUT OF HERE WITH A DECISION MADE AT EVERY MEETING? OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SERVING YOU.
WE'RE OUR SERIOUSLY, OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ARRIVING AT A DECISION THAT THE CONSENSUS IS THERE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY ANONYMITY, BUT THE CONSENSUS IS THERE ON HOW TO PROCEED.
AND LIKE I SAID, YOU START WITH A NUMBER OF THRESHOLD QUESTIONS AND, AND PROBABLY APPROACH IT FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
I THINK YOU'LL ARRIVE AT THAT MAYBE NOT TONIGHT.
BUT I DO THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS ONE DECISION THAT PROBABLY IS UNANIMOUS IS NOBODY WANTS TWO YEAR TERMS. YES.
SO THAT'S GOOD, RIGHT? WE'RE MAKING THAT PROGRESS.
THEN WE CAN KIND OF VISIT THE OTHER ISSUE ABOUT WAITING PERIOD.
BUT AGAIN, WAITING PERIOD MIGHT BE IMPACTED BY THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AS WELL AS NUMBER OF TERMS AS WELL.
I WOULD, I WOULD SAY FROM A BROAD STANDPOINT, THE GOAL IS WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT BOGEY OF JULY 23RD.
UM, WE'RE GONNA BE AT EVERY MEETING AND MUDDLE THROUGH AS MY FOREFATHER CHARLES LIN.
AND THE, THE LAST MEETING IS GONNA LEND ITSELF.
IT'S GOING TO, TO MAKING THOSE TYPES OF DECISIONS.
NOW WE MAY HAVE SOME ADMINISTRATIVE PREFERENCING TOOLS LIKE SLIDO OR THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE YOU DO VERY, VERY, UH, UM, NON-FORMAL VOTING.
AND WE COULD DO THAT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
SO AT THE BEGINNING OF NEXT MEETING, IF WE PUT A PIN IN THIS, LIKE HAS BEEN MENTIONED, WE MAY HAVE A QUESTION ON THE SCREEN THAT SAYS, HEY, YOU'VE HAD A COUPLE WEEKS TO THINK ABOUT IT.
WHERE'S THE GROUP GROUP AT ON THREE AND FOUR? AND THEN WE'LL THROW IT ON THE SCREEN.
COULD WE MAKE IT A THING THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EVERY MEETING WE DO THOSE THINGS ON THE TOPICS BEFORE TO SEE HOW BIG OF A GAP THERE IS? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL WOULD BE INTERESTED IN? FOR ME, I'M NOT GONNA BE AS FRESH ON THIS TOPIC.
WHEN WE GET TO TOPIC FOUR, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE TOPIC FOUR GETS THE TIME IT DESERVES, WHATEVER THAT IS, IS THAT BENEFICIAL TO YOU GUYS OR NO? I, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT THAT SIMILAR TO WHAT, UH, MR. ROGERS SAYS, IS IT, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THREE AND FOUR, I'M NOT TRYING TO BELABOR THE SUBJECT, BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THREE OR FOUR, I THINK IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS YOU HAVE, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IS THE FUNDAMENTAL DECISION THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR HEAD.
IF YOU FUNDAMENTALLY THINK FOUR IS WHAT'S BEST FOR EACH COUNCIL MEMBER TO GET IN THERE TO DO THE JOB AND THEN CAMPAIGN AGAIN, IF THEY HAVE ANOTHER TERM, THEN LET'S STICK TO FOUR.
IT IT, TO ME, IT DOES NOT MATTER IF I HAVE FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS OR 37 COUNCIL MEMBERS.
BECAUSE IF I WANT THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SERVE TWO YEAR TERMS, THEN THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE IF I WANNA SERVE FOUR YEAR TERMS, THEN THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT ON THAT.
THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.
I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE.
I WORK ELECTIONS AND OUR VOTERS ARE ALREADY SO CONFUSED.
IF YOU DO THREE YEARS AND THEN SCHOOL BOARDS DOING FOUR, THEY'RE GONNA GIVE UP.
I'M TELLING YOU, THE VOTERS ARE JUST LIKE, VOTER FATIGUE IS, IS A THING.
AND I, I THINK, YEAH, POINT I, I REALLY THINK YOU NEED TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL ABOUT MUDDYING THE WATERS WITH ELECTIONS.
IT'S SO HARD TO GET PEOPLE OUT TO VOTE ANYWAY.
AND, AND THIS IS I I I ON THE COUNCIL, ANY BOARDS I SERVE, YOU MAKE A DECISION AND YOU MOVE ON.
OR YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT FOR ANOTHER TWO AND A HALF HOURS.
I AM, I'M, I'M NOT THAT KIND OF PERSON.
I'M, LET'S KILL IT, WRAP IT UP AND MOVE ON.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, WELL IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE ELIMINATED YEAR TWO RAINY
SO HOW DO WE, ONE FOR THREE AND THE REST ARE THREE.
SO HOW DO WE TAKE IT FROM THERE? AND THE PERSON SUPPORTIVE OF THREE? MY, MY RECOMMENDATION WAS WE PUT A PIN IN IT UNTIL WE UNDERSTAND THE MAKEUP OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
WHETHER IT'S THAT, THAT'S FOR ME, I FELT AS THOUGH THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE MOVING SIX TO NINE TO, YOU KNOW, THAT I THINK THAT HELPS WITH THE DECISION.
I HAVE NOT, I HAVE NOT SERVED ON THE CITY OF MCKINNEY'S COUNCIL, BUT THAT IS HOW I LOOK AT IT, IS THAT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE MAKEUP OF THE CITY COUNCIL, WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN WE LOOK AT THE TERMS. I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S THE, SO WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT TERM LIMITS.
WHAT ABOUT THE MINORITY? WHAT I MEAN WHAT ABOUT THE ACTUAL, UM, TIMEFRAME IN WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF TERMS THAT THEY CAN, I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID TOO, SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID NONE.
WE HAD A VERY SMALL DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
WHY DON'T WE TALK ABOUT THAT NEXT AND SEE IF THERE'S MORE OF A CONCESS CONCESSION ON THAT PART AND THEN WE CAN
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MAKE A DECISION.WELL, LET'S PARK IT, LET'S PARK NUMBER FOUR ON THE PARKING LOT PIN IDEAS AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO, JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY A LITTLE BIT OF A YEAH.
AND, AND, AND MARYANNE, IF WE, IF WE LOOK AT EXPANDING THE NUMBER OF COUNCIL SEATS THREE CAN COME BACK INTO THE CONVERSATION.
LISTEN, I'M, I'M LOOKING YEAH, IT IS A CONSENSUS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CONSENSUS FOR I JUST, FOR ME, I'M SURE I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE CITY COUNCIL
I THINK WE'RE THERE IF THE, IF THE DIRECTION NOW IS TO SHIFT A LITTLE BIT.
SO JUST SO I'M, I'M GONNA REPEAT WHAT I HEARD AND I MAY HAVE HEARD SOMEBODY INCORRECTLY AND WE CAN, YOU CAN THROW SOMETHING AT ME IF YOU NEED TO, BUT TWO IS OFF THE TABLE.
THERE'S STILL SOME DISCUSSION ON THREE OR FOUR DEPENDING ON WHETHER YOU'RE THREE OR FOUR.
AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO THE NUMBER OF TERMS TOTAL.
SO, UH, WITH UN, WITH AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WILL BE A DECISION ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS, BUT NOW TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS OR MORE OR LESS.
UH, I'VE PULLED UP WHAT OUR CURRENT SYSTEM IS.
A COUNCIL MEMBER CAN SERVE TWO CONSECUTIVE FOUR YEAR TERMS AND THEN THEY CAN IMMEDIATELY RUN FOR MAYOR AND SERVE TWO CONSECUTIVE FOUR YEAR TERMS AS MAYOR FOR A TOTAL OF 16 YEARS.
YOU CAN START AS A MAYOR, RUN AND SERVE FOR EIGHT YEARS, AND THEN IMMEDIATELY SERVE AS A COUNCIL MEMBER.
AGAIN, WE HAVE A PAUSE PERIOD.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE A COUNCIL MEMBER, GOING TO A COUNCIL MEMBER SEAT, YOU HAVE TO PAUSE FOR A YEAR.
IF YOU'RE GONNA BE A MAYOR, RUNNING FOR MAYOR AFTER EIGHT YEARS, YOU HAVE TO PAUSE FOR A YEAR.
SO I HAVE A, A NOTE THERE FOR THAT TOPIC.
DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF CITY COUNCIL SEATS THAT WE HAVE, IF THEY'RE ALL DISTRICTED, YOU WOULD HAVE TO MOVE THEN TO GO FROM ONE DISTRICT TO THE SEC TO THE NEXT UNDER, UNDER OUR, OUR, OUR CURRENT SYSTEM.
UM, THERE WOULD STILL BE A PAUSE OF ONE YEAR REQUIRED.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU WERE GONNA BE, AND WE'LL JUST MAKE UP DISTRICT NUMBERS, BUT IF YOU WERE IN DISTRICT ONE, OR I'LL SAY DISTRICT THREE 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.
AND YOU SERVED FOR TWO YEARS IN DISTRICT THREE, YOU DID NOT WANNA RUN FOR MAYOR, BUT MAYBE YOU WANTED TO RUN AT LARGE OR YOU WANTED TO RUN FOR DISTRICT FOUR OR SOME OTHER, UH, DISTRICT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO WAIT ONE YEAR OUT TO THEN RUN FOR ANOTHER COUNCIL SEAT.
IF ANYONE HAS A COMPELLING REASON TO CHANGE ANY OF THIS, WHY DON'T YOU SPEAK? I DON'T HAVE A COMPELLING REASON TO CHANGE THAT.
I THINK THE PAUSE PERIOD IS TOO SHORT.
YOU THINK WHAT? THE PAUSE PERIOD IS TOO SHORT.
I THINK YOU SHOULD, YOU SHOULD HAVE, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE TERMED LIMITED IN YOUR CURRENT SEAT AND YOU WISH TO RUN FOR ANOTHER SEAT, I THINK YOU HAVE TO, WE A FULL ELECTION CYCLE, WHICH WOULD BE TWO YEARS.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, YOU REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
SO IT'D BE KIND OF A SPECIAL LITTLE NICHE THAT, THAT I, AND SECOND OF ALL, WE'VE NEVER HAD ANYBODY DO THAT.
I MEAN, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S AN ISSUE.
WHAT, TAKE ME BACK A NUMBER OF YEARS AND, AND YOU'VE GOT A LONG MEMORY.
I WOULD'VE BEEN HERE 26 YEARS.
UM, I REMEMBER THE COUNCILMAN PETER HUFF, PETE HUFF.
HE, HE WAS BEFORE THE PAUSE PERIOD THOUGH, RAN, HE WAS BEFORE THE PAUSE PERIOD.
THAT'S WHY DIDN'T HAVE THE PAUSE PERIOD.
I THOUGHT I HAD SOMEONE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, KEN.
BUT EFFECTIVELY OUR SYSTEM IS A TWO YEAR PAUSE PERIOD.
AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT YEAR, BUT GENERALLY THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
'CAUSE WE HAVE ELECTIONS EVERY TWO YEARS.
SOMEBODY RESIGNS, SOMEBODY MOVES GABE NESBIT DIES ON WHILE HE'S SERVING.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS.
BUT WE'RE EFFECTIVELY A TWO YEAR PAUSE PERIOD.
AND I DON'T MIND CHANGING IT AND MAKING THAT OFFICIAL IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.
IF, IF THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO.
I WOULD PROPOSE THEN TO, TO, TO CLEAN IT UP.
YOU HAVE TO WAIT A FULL ELECTION CYCLE OR TWO YEARS, WHICHEVER IS GREATER.
I WOULD SAY GET RID OF THE PAUSE PERIOD.
'CAUSE IF I GOT THIS RIGHT, I GET THAT I'M IN THE DISTRICT AND I WANNA RUN VERY LARGE, I GOTTA WAIT.
BUT IF I'M AT LARGE OR IF I'M A COUNCILMAN, I WANNA IMMEDIATELY RUN FOR MAYOR.
I CAN GO FROM COUNCIL MEMBER TO MAYOR OR AT LARGE TO MAYOR AND THERE'S NO PAUSE.
OR IF I'M MAYOR WHEN, WHEN I'M THROUGH WITH MY TERM, I CAN GO BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER WITH NO PAUSE.
SO ON THE ONE END WE GOT NO PAUSE, BUT ON THE OTHER END WE GOT PAUSE.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO CLEAN UP JOHN.
I THINK THAT'S, WELL MY CLEANUP WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE THE PAUSE.
WHAT'S THE PURPOSE? IF YOU WANT TO RUN AGAIN OR RUN AGAIN.
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I AGREE.I, WELL I, I'LL GO BACK TO THAT BALANCING ACT I DESCRIBED EARLY ON.
IT'S, IT'S NOT BALANCING OTHER REASON IT'S, WELL TO ME, TO ME IS IT'S A POINT OF THE LONGER A PERSON SITS UP THERE IN WHATEVER ROLE THEY HAVE, THE LONGER THEY'RE UP THERE, THE GREATER THEIR INFLUENCE BUILDS.
AND AS I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, HAVING CONTINUITY IS IMPORTANT.
BUT WHEN THE INFLUENCE PIVOTS TO AN UNDUE AMOUNT OF INFLUENCE, THEN THE PUBLIC ISN'T SERVED AS WELL.
AND YOU'VE GOT SOMEONE WITH SIGNIFICANT TIME AND GRADES, SIGNIFICANT INFLUENCE, AN UNDUE AMOUNT OF INFLUENCE WHO'S DRIVING THE AGENDAS.
SO HOW DOES THE PAUSE PERIOD AFFECT THAT? WELL, THE OTHER OPTION, WELL IT GIVES, IT GIVES OTHER PEOPLE A CHANCE TO, TO GET INVOLVED ONE AND SAY THERE'S A LITTLE COOLING OFF PERIOD BETWEEN SPOTS.
SO IF SOMEONE IS, LEAVES THEIR CURRENT POSITION, 'CAUSE THEY'RE TURNED OUT AND THEY GOTTA WAIT TWO YEARS TO RUN AGAIN, THERE'S A LITTLE MEMORY GAP THAT BUILDS UP, YOU KNOW, AND SO PEOPLE SAY, WELL THAT GUY DID A GOOD JOB.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, WELL THE OTHER OPTION IS TO HAVE A PAUSE PERIOD, RIGHT.
IF YOU WANNA RUN FOR MAYOR, YOU GOTTA WAIT A YEAR TO DO IT.
AND IF YOUR MAYOR AND WANT TO FALL BACK, YOU STILL GOTTA WAIT A YEAR.
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO EITHER HAVE A PAUSE EXCEPT WHEN YOU DON'T.
WE OUGHT HAVE A PAUSE OR IT SHOULDN'T HAVE ONE.
JUST TO CLARIFY, JOHN, THE PAUSE IS ONLY AFTER TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS. I GET THAT.
SO YOU CAN GO DISTRICT THEN TO AT LARGE, BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE PAUSE.
YOU DON'T, IF YOU GO FROM A LARGE TO DISTRICT OR DISTRICT TO AT LARGE, THERE'S NOT A PAUSE BETWEEN THAT.
SO YOU CAN GO FROM DISTRICT TO AT LARGE WITHOUT A PAUSE.
BUT YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO, YOU CAN'T DO DISTRICT THREE FOR EIGHT YEARS AND THEN AT LARGE FOR EIGHT YEARS AND THEN MAYOR FOR EIGHT YEARS.
YOU COULD DO DISTRICT THREE FOR FOUR YEARS AT LARGE FOR FOUR YEARS.
DISTRICT THREE AGAIN, THAT'S, YEAH.
THAT'S WHERE THE WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE IS HOW WE, HOW WE CLOSE ALL THESE LITTLE GAPS.
'CAUSE I REMEMBER SOMETHING COUNCILMAN JONES SAID AT THE MEETING ABOUT THIS.
HE SAID, VOTING FOR NO CHANGE PROBABLY WON'T WORK BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO MANY LITTLE GAPS AND INCONSISTENCIES AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO, UH, PARDON THE CHARACTERIZATION.
I DON'T MEAN THIS, YOU KNOW, BUT PEOPLE CAN WORK THE SYSTEM TO THEIR ADVANTAGE.
AND YOU COULD SERVE 24 YEARS CONSECUTIVELY.
YOU COULD BY GOING FROM COUN FROM COUNCIL MEMBER.
TO COUNCIL MEMBER TO MAYOR, TO AGAIN A MAYOR.
SO THEN BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER.
SO IN MY MIND, THE PUBLIC POLICY QUESTION THEN IS, IS THAT A GOOD THING THAT'S FOR ALL TO DISCUSS? WELL, I THINK THERE'S ONE UNIQUE ELEMENT OF SOMEONE GOING FROM CITY COUNCIL TO MAYOR, WHERE IN MY MIND THAT ACCELERATION, YOU WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO HAVE A GAP.
GOING FROM MAYOR TO CITY COUNCIL OR CITY COUNCIL TO CITY COUNCIL IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF MOVEMENT.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO GET CLARITY ON IS IF IN THIS DISCUSSION WOULD WE POTENTIALLY REMOVE AT LARGE CANDIDATES? AND IF WE DO, THEN THE DISCUSSION OF SOMEONE BEING ABLE TO RUN WITH THAT GAP YEAR GETS MUCH MORE COMPLICATED BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DANCE IN AN AT LARGE LANE.
YOU WOULD PHYSICALLY HAVE TO MOVE.
AND IF YOU WANT IT THAT BAD, I GUESS GO GET IT.
BUT, UH, YOU'D HAVE TO REBUILD YOUR CONSTITUENCY A LOT OF THINGS.
SO I THINK THE AT LARGE QUESTION IS ALSO A FACTOR IN THIS SCENARIO.
SO THIS MIGHT BE A LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY THAT WE DO NEED TO SORT THROUGH BOTH ITEMS AT THE SAME TIME.
'CAUSE WE'RE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IS BOARD IS COMPOSITION AND THAT'S ON THE NEXT MEETING.
DO WE HAVE THAT LARGER? YEAH, I AGREE.
I THINK IT'S WHERE I ORIGINALLY WAS.
MY MY THOUGHT IS WHEN SOMEBODY'S SERVING ON, ON COUNCIL AND, AND, AND A LOT OF OUR MAYORS HAVE COME FROM COUNCIL, FROM, FROM RIGHT FROM COUNCIL, BECAUSE THERE'S, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND THINGS BETTER THAN MOST.
NOW MAYOR FULLER IS A COMPLETE ANOMALY BECAUSE HE, HE WAS ONE OF THE MOST PREPARED GUYS COMING ONTO AS, AS THE MAYOR.
MOST, MOST PEOPLE NEED THAT COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME COUNCIL EXPERIENCE BEFORE YOU GET TO, TO BE THE MAYOR.
AND, UM, AND SO I I I DON'T SUPPORT A PAUSE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A NATURAL PROGRESSION.
SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN ON COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS IT WORKS, IT SEES THE NEED FOR LEADERSHIP AND, AND, AND THEN CAN RUN.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE ANY NOW IF, IF GOING DOWN FROM MAYOR TO LIKE THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE PAUSE.
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FROM COUNCIL TO MAYOR, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK A PAUSE IS A POSITIVE CHANGE.I THINK, UH, UH, THAT THAT IS SOMETHING.
CAN WE ALL AGREE ON THAT
I MEAN, IT'S, IT IS BEEN A TRAINING GROUND FOR MAYORS FOREVER.
THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE MAYORS HAVE COME FROM.
DO WE AGREE THAT WE NEED TO STUDY THE OTHER TWO SCENARIOS IN ADDITION WITH THE COMPOSITION CONVERSATION? IS THAT ALSO A CONSENSUS AT THIS POINT? WHEN YOU SAY THE, GO AHEAD.
WHY? WHY DOES THE COMPOSITION AFFECT, UH, THE TERM THE, SO IF WE DIDN'T HAVE AT LARGE SEATS, WELL WHO'S EVEN BOUGHT THAT UP? HAS ANYONE BOUGHT UP GETTING RID OF THAT LARGE SEATS? WE DON'T KNOW.
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT COMPOSITION OKAY.
JUST SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE IN THAT SCENARIO OF ALL THE DISTRICTS WERE DEFINED.
SO THAT CONVERSATION MIGHT INFLUENCE PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS HERE.
'CAUSE I DO SEE HOW THE TWO ARE CONNECTED.
THAT'S JUST THE POINT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE.
LEMME JUST ADD IN MY OPINION, EXPERIENCE AND LEADERSHIP IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN A PERCEIVED UNDUE INFLUENCE THAT PEOPLE WHO COME HERE TO SERVE AND I LOOK AROUND THE ROOM AND SEE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY SERVING AND THE ONES THAT HAVE SERVED IN THE PAST AND A NUMBER OF OTHERS WERE PEOPLE WHO DID IT FOR THE RIGHT REASON, IN MY OPINION, IT WANT TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY.
IT WASN'T THAT THEY WANTED TO MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY OUT OF IT, OR THEY WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, BUILD SOME BUILDING IN THAT WAS GONNA HAVE THEIR NAME ON IT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY'VE DONE IT WITH THE RIGHT HEART ABOUT IT, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYBODY THAT DEVELOPED SOME UNDUE INFLUENCE AND UTILIZED IT.
SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD BE MORE IN FAVOR OF HAVING PEOPLE THAT HAD EXPERIENCE THAT DIDN'T HAVE ALL THESE GROWING PAINS BEING PUT INTO THE POSITION IN A, SOMETHING THAT WAS PERCEIVED OR THOUGHT MIGHT HAPPEN.
LET ME, UNDUE INFLUENCE IS NOT NECESSARILY A SINISTER OR PEJORATIVE EXPRESSION.
I DON'T MEAN TO INFER THAT AT ALL.
IT'S JUST THAT PEOPLE IN POSITION FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME CREATE A GREAT DEAL OF INFLUENCE.
AND IS THAT IN FACT OF GOOD PUBLIC POLICY? SHOULD WE NOT TAP THE BRAKES ON PEOPLE WITH THAT MUCH INFLUENCE, HOWEVER WELL INTENDED IT IS.
SO I'M NOT SUGGESTING THERE'S ANYTHING SINISTER OR PEJORATIVE ABOUT THAT TERM UNDUE INFLUENCE, BUT IT, IT CAN, IT CAN, YOU KNOW, GUY BIGGEST GAP.
I THINK THAT BECOMES, IN A LOT OF WAYS THAT BECOMES AN EVEN GREATER BENEFIT OF WHAT THEY CAN DO.
THEIR INFLUENCE IS MAYBE MORE NATIONAL, MAYBE MORE STATEWIDE, WHERE THEY CAN HELP DO THINGS THAT ARE BENEFICIAL TO OUR COMMUNITY.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT, BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SITUATIONS, NOT IN THIS COMMUNITY, BUT IN ELECTED OFFICE YEAH.
WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE.
AND SO AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T THINK THAT WE MAKE THE DECISION THAT REDUCES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REALLY MAXIMIZE EXPERIENCE.
MY OPINION, WELL, IT'S ABOUT MANAGING RISK THAT IN SOME RESPECT, BUT YEAH.
I WILL SAY WE'RE BUMPING UP TO EIGHT O'CLOCK AND THE ONLY REASON IS THAT MEANS WE'VE BEEN GOING FOR TWO HOURS WITH NO BREAK.
THERE IS VALUE TO, UH, ROB'S POINT.
THERE'S VALUE IN HAVING, UH, PEOPLE FROM YOUR CITY SERVE IN POSITIONS OF LEADERSHIP IN STATE, LOCAL, REGIONAL, NATIONAL AREAS THAT, AND NOT NECESSARILY THE LONGER THEY SERVE, THE WORSE THEY ARE.
CAN THAT, THAT I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE OF YOUR POSITION ON THAT.
I, I THINK PEOPLE SERVE FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.
THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO EVERY RULE.
UH, YOU, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF PEOPLE THAT SERVED IN MCKINNEY AND IT'S, THEY CHECK EVERY BOX.
UH, AGAIN, THERE IS VALUE IN HAVING PEOPLE SERVE OUTSIDE OF MCKINNEY THAT MOST MCKINNEYS DON'T SEE.
OH, I, WHETHER IT'S AT THE REGIONAL NATIONAL LEVEL.
SO I THINK THERE'S VALUE IN, IN BEING ABLE TO SERVE.
AND TO JOHN'S POINT, WE HAVE TERM LIMITS BUILT IN.
YOU DON'T LIKE SOMEONE VOTE 'EM OUT.
THE VOTER APATHY QUESTION IS NOT ONE IN FRONT OF THIS GROUP THAT'S, THAT'S OUT
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THERE.TERM LIMITS, REMOVING TERM LIMITS WILL NOT PASS.
SO I DON'T THINK THIS ROOM COMES OUT OF HERE WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I DO THINK THERE'S VALUE IN HAVING ELECTED OFFICIALS SERVE, UM, SIMILAR BETWEEN TWO AND THREE TERMS TO AJ'S POINT, WHICH GETS US BACK TO THREE OR FOUR YEAR TERMS. SO IT'S, IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL CONNECTED.
YOUR TURN TREVOR, I'M HERE ALL NIGHT.
IS THERE ANY INSTANCE THAT THERE IS JUST AN OVERALL ARCHING TERM LIMIT? SO YOU COULD SERVE ON COUNCIL FOR FOUR YEARS AS A COUNCILMAN AND THEN YOU COULD SERVE THREE TERMS AS MAYOR, OR THREE TERMS AS COUNCILMAN, ONE TERM AS MAYOR, AND THERE'S JUST AN OVERALL NUMBER OF YEARS THAT YOU CAN SERVE.
SOME CITIES HAVE, SO SOME CITIES HAVE THAT.
UH, THE ONES ON THE LEFT THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN ONCE YOU'VE REACHED A MAXIMUM, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER OFFHAND THE SIX EXAMPLES HERE.
THEY'RE A MIX BETWEEN 12 AND 16 YEARS TOTAL.
I THINK, UH, ONE IS 10 YEARS TOTAL, THEN YOU'VE MET YOUR LIMIT.
YOU'RE NO LONGER ELIGIBLE TO SERVE IN ANY SEAT.
IT IS SOMEWHAT THE MINORITY, UH, EXAMPLE IN ALL THE CHARTERS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT.
AND I THINK THE QUESTION WAS, IS THERE A COMPELLING REASON TO CHANGE ANYTHING? AND YOU JUST WANTED TO CHANGE THE, THE, THE, THE PAUSE.
THERE'S, THERE'S SOME, I WOULD, AGAIN, NOT A PEJORATIVE TERM, BUT THERE ARE SOME LOOPHOLES IN OUR CURRENT SETUP WHERE PEOPLE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE AND GAME IT A LITTLE BIT IF THEY WISH TO.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT COUNCILMAN JONES MENTIONED THE OTHER NIGHT AT THE MEETING THAT HE BROUGHT UP OF INTEREST.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN TIGHTEN UP AND MAKE SURE WE'RE REALLY CLEAR ON THE PAUSE PERIODS IN BETWEEN ELECTED ROLES WOULD, I THINK WOULD BE OF VALUE TO US.
SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE NOT HEARD A COMPELLING REASON THAT ANYONE WANTS TO CHANGE ANYTHING EXCEPT THE PAUSE.
YOU MEAN ON EVERYTHING? NO, NO, NO.
SO I MEAN, IF WE, IF WE WENT FROM ONE YEAR TO TWO YEAR, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY, I MEAN, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I MEAN THAT'S, I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE A MINUSCULE CHANCE OF AT EVER COMING TO AN ISSUE.
SO I THINK THE TWO YEAR PAUSE VERSUS THE ONE YEAR PAUSE IS FINE.
AND IF WE WANNA MAKE A CHANGE, IF WE FELT COMPELLED TO NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE THERE, THEN MAKE A CHANGE.
BUT, UH, I, THAT THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I I, AND AGAIN, I WOULDN'T MAKE THE PAUSE BETWEEN A COUNCIL PERSON TO A MAYOR.
THAT WOULD BE YOUR ONE EXCEPTION.
THAT WOULD BE AN EXCEPTION THAT THAT'S ALREADY LIKE THAT.
WHAT ABOUT MAYOR TO COUNCIL PERSON? NO, I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE A PAUSE THERE.
AND SO ON THE WAY UP, BUT YES, ON THE WAY UP.
AND, AND THE ISSUE, EVERYBODY SAYS, OH, THE ELECTION IS THE RECALL OR, OR, OR, OR THAT'S THE, THE TERM LIMITS AND THE CITY ELECTION.
I MEAN, IF THE GUY KEEPS RUNNING, VERY FEW PEOPLE WANNA RUN AGAINST THE INCUMBENT.
AND, AND SO YOU CAN'T SAY, OH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S BECAUSE VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE GONNA RUN AGAINST THE INCUMBENT AND THEN THAT INCUMBENT'S GONNA HAVE THE NAME RECOGNITION AND, AND HE COULD GET ELECTED, OR SHE COULD GET ELECTED FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
IT'S NOT ABOUT TURN LIMITING THAT, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL.
I DON'T CARE IF THEY'RE GOOD OR BAD, IF THEY WANNA RUN FOR INFINITY, THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE NAME RECOGNITION AND NOBODY WANTS TO RUN AGAINST THEM.
I BELIEVE IN THAT, THAT, THAT TERM LIMIT TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT, AND I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE, I MEAN, 90% OF MCKINNEY WOULD PROBABLY AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT YEAH, THEY, THEY WANT NEW BLOOD IN THERE EVERY SO OFTEN.
SO TREVOR, CAN YOU BACK UP ONE SLIDE? SO LIMIT ON TOTAL TERMS. OKAY.
SO MCKINNEY'S NOT IN THAT LIST.
SO THERE ARE CITIES THAT HAVE WITHIN A LIFETIME.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THESE, UH, HANDFUL OF CITIES HERE WHERE 10 YEARS COMBINED IN HOLTON CITY, 12 YEARS COMBINED.
AND THE, UH, WHAT IS THAT SEVEN THAT YOU SEE THERE? BUT THEY STILL HAVE, THEY STILL HAVE LIMITS.
THOSE STILL HAVE LIMITS ON PER TERM, CORRECT? YES.
AND, AND I'LL POINT OUT AGAIN, AS YOU SEE, THAT'S KIND OF THE EXCEPTION, NOT THE RULE THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
UM, I DON'T MEAN THAT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, IT'S JUST, I, I'M WITH KEN.
I, I'D LIKE TO SEE TWO YEARS ON THIS ONE.
AND I ALSO DO NOT WANNA SEE, UH, A PAUSE BETWEEN COUNCIL AND MAYOR.
SO THAT WOULD BE OUR ONE EXCEPTION.
I PERSONALLY LIKE THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW, WHERE YOU CAN GO FROM COUNCIL FOR TWO TERMS AND MAYOR FOR TWO TERMS DIRECTLY.
I ALSO AM FINE WITH MAYOR FOR TWO TERMS IF YOU WANT TO COME IN AS MAYOR, WHICH
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OKAY.AND THEN GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER FOR TWO.
BUT AFTER 16 YEARS, I WANT AT LEAST TWO YEARS OF JUST, LET'S JUST RELAX FOR A SECOND.
YEAH, I THINK THERE'S, THAT'S JUST MY, THAT'S OKAY.
SO TREVOR, CAN WE, UH, JUST GET ALL KIND OF, YOU'RE GOING? YEAH.
WE ARE, WE ARE A MENTALLY I'M AGGREGATING THIS.
WE ARE ALSO RECORDING ALL OF THIS.
SO WE'LL GO BACK AND KIND OF WATCH THE GAME FILM.
AND MY INTENT, AND I THINK MR. GRIME'S INTENT IS THAT WE'LL COME BACK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT MEETING AND HAVE KIND OF A PREFERENCING EXERCISE TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE THINK WE HEARD YOU SAY LAST TIME.
AND WITH, AND I ALSO WANNA SAY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT SOME OF THOSE ITEMS ARE GONNA BE SUBJECT TO CHANGE BECAUSE OF HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE COMPOSITION, HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT COMPENSATION OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
UM, BUT JUST TO GET A GENERAL TENOR OF HERE'S WHERE THE CONSENSUS WAS OVER THE PERIOD OF THE LAST MEETING.
WE'LL PROBABLY DO THAT IN THE FIRST FIVE TO 10 MINUTES OF THE NEXT MEETING.
SO AS AN EXAMPLE, WE DIDN'T LAND ANYWHERE, UM, THAT I COULD READ THAT WAS DEFINITIVE ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY, I THINK WE DID, SOME PEOPLE MAY THINK WE DIDN'T.
SO WHAT I WOULD THROW ON THE SCREEN IS, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF THREE OR FOUR YEAR TERMS? AND THEN YOU ALL WOULD VOTE THROUGH SOMETHING CALLED SLIDO AND YOU JUST TAKE A PICTURE AND YOU SAY YES OR NO, IT'S SUPER EASY.
AND THEN WE WOULD SEE WHAT THE PERCENTAGE LAYS OUT AT.
MAYBE IT'S A HUNDRED AND NOTHING, MAYBE IT'S 50 50.
AND THAT WOULD CAUSE SOME CONVERSATION.
UM, I THINK THAT I HAVE A, A GOOD HANDLING OF THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PAUSE PERIOD.
WE WOULD PUT A SENTENCE UP ON THE SCREEN.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THE SENTENCE? UM, YOU WOULD SAY YES, YOU WOULD SAY NO, BASED ON THE RESULT OF THAT, WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD.
THERE'S STILL, UM, IN RELATION TO TERMS THE NUMBER OF, UH, TERMS, IT SOUNDS LIKE PEOPLE ARE KIND OF FINE WITH TWO.
UM, SO WE CAN HAVE THAT QUESTION ON THERE AGAIN, AS KIND OF A PREFACING TYPE QUESTION, UNLESS THERE'S A COMPELLING, UH, CONVERSATION IF NOT DO SO.
BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE, THOSE ARE THE THREE AREAS BROADLY WHERE WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, KIND OF A DEFINITIVE END POINT.
AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY BE NOW OR NEXT TIME WE HAVE MANY OF THESE MEETINGS GOING FORWARD.
IT HAS TO BE BEFORE THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION MADE TO COUNCIL.
UM, SO I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THIS DELIBERATE OVER THE NEXT SIX WEEKS, BUT I'M ALSO SENSITIVE TO THE FACT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING, MOVE ON TO THE NEXT THING, ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING, MOVE ON TO THE NEXT THING.
SO WE HAVE MECHANISMS IN PLACE TO DO THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT MEETING AS WE GO INTO COMPOSITION.
AND MAYBE AT THE END OF COMPOSITION, EVERYBODY LOOKS AT EACH OTHER AND SAID, MAN, WE SCREWED THIS UP.
AND YOU GO BACK TO TERMS. YEAH, YEAH.
THERE, IS THERE A A, UH, OPEN MEETINGS ISSUE OR ANY, ANY, ANYTHING THAT WOULD PROHIBIT TREVOR FROM SENDING SOMETHING OUT TO US IN DRAFT NO.
BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING? SO, SO WHAT, WHAT WE'LL DO IS, UM, KIND OF CONSOLIDATE EVERYTHING.
I CAN SEND THIS GROUP AN EMAIL.
UM, I CAN EVEN SEND YOU A DRAFT OF HERE'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT FROM A SLIDO.
BUT HERE FROM A REFERENCING EXERCISE, DO YOU HAVE STOCK IN SLIDE? I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY'RE PUBLICLY TREATED.
UM, THEY MIGHT BE THAT, RIGHT.
THE OTHER ASPECT OF THAT IS, AND I WANT YOU ALL TO DO THIS, BUT I WANT YOU TO DO IT WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE.
IF YOU SEND US A QUESTION AND IT'S A SPECIFIC DATA TYPE QUESTION THAT SAYS, HEY TREVOR, CAN YOU TELL ME AGAIN WHAT HOUSTON'S LIMIT ON TOTAL TERMS WAS? I'LL SAY, SURE.
MR. COX, IT WAS 10 YEARS, UH, OR 12 YEARS.
AND I, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND FORWARD THIS TO EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE GROUP JUST BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S GOT ALL THE INFORMATION.
UM, FROM AN OPEN MEETINGS PERSPECTIVE, IF IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT WE, AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF YOU HAVE FAR MORE KNOWLEDGE IN THIS THAN OTHERS.
UH, SOME OF YOU'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, SO I MEAN, THAT'S WHY YOUR QUESTIONS, I MEAN, YOU MAY NOT HAVE ASKED THEM TONIGHT 'CAUSE YOU WEREN'T SURE.
AND SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT.
WE'LL GET A RESPONSE OUT, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS THE SAME RESPONSE.
SO YOU'LL HAVE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, FOUNDATION FOR THE NEXT MEETING ON A LOT OF THIS STUFF.
LIMITED IN HAVING CONVERSATIONS IN BETWEEN MEETINGS WITH EACH OTHER.
YOU'RE NOT A PUBLIC BODY, SO YOU'RE, YEAH.
AND SO WE, IF WE, IF TREVOR SENDS SOMETHING OUT TO US IN ADVANCE IN THE NEXT MEETING AS A DRAFT, THIS IS WHAT I HEARD, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
IF YOU'VE GOT ANY FEEDBACK, LET ME KNOW KIND OF THING.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT THIS WAS FAST AND FURIOUS, YOU ALL RECEIVED, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
13 EMAILS FROM ME IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAY AND HOW QUICKLY WE'VE DONE THIS.
OUR GOAL IS GOING TO BE ANY DATA DUMP OR PRESENTATION THAT WE GIVE TO YOU ALL IN THE NEXT FEW MEETINGS WILL BE THE FRIDAY PROCEEDING, THE WEDNESDAY MEETING, UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE
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TIME THAN JUST, HEY, HERE IT IS THIS MORNING.UM, I'M GONNA MISS THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, DO WE, I GUESS ARE WE, ARE WE GONNA VOTE ON EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT NEXT MEETING OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT'LL HAPPEN AT THE END? I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, BASED ON KIND OF THE DIRECTION I'M HEARING, WE WOULD DO A PREFERENCING EXERCISE, WOULDN'T BE SET IN STONE.
AND THEN WE WILL, AT THE END OF THE PROCESS WHEN WE HAVE THAT FINAL MEETING, WE'LL REALLY, YOU KNOW, PUT PEN TO PAPER AND SAY, OKAY, I WON'T, HERE'S THE SIX THINGS THAT EVERYBODY AGREES ON.
HERE'S THE TWO THINGS THAT NOBODY HAS AGREED ON YET.
YOU ONLY GOT TWO MORE HOURS TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
KIND OF, WHERE ARE WE AT? SO IF, IF ANYBODY'S GONNA MISS A GIVEN MEETING, UM, THERE WILL BE THAT OPPORTUNITY AT THAT LAST MEETING TO KIND OF SUM IT UP.
SAY THE CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIRMAN.
SO I, ALTHOUGH THIS SLIDE TALKS ABOUT TERM LIMITS, IT DOESN'T ALSO LIST THE LIST THE NUMBER OF CITIES THAT HAVE NO TERM LIMITS.
SO THIS IS JUST THE TOTAL TERMS AND CONSECUTIVE TERMS. BUT IF YOU GO BACK, YEAH.
IT WILL SHOW YOU THE OTHER LIST THAT HAS NO, WHICH OH, SORRY.
HAS THE FOR YOU KNOW, FORT WORTH, LUBBOCK.
THAT'S NOT ON THAT OTHER SLIDE.
SO THOSE CITIES HAVE NO TERM LIMITS.
WE CAN, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT NEXT SLIDE.
SO JUST AS A, A TRAVEL OF HOW THIS IS BUILT, CAN WE, CAN WE TAKE A BIO BREAK PLEASE? SURE.
I
UM, WE HAVE A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR.
SO I WILL BE DEFERENTIAL IN SENDING INFORMATION TO THEM TO DISPEL OUT.
SO FOR INSTANCE, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT, TREVOR MAY SEND THIS TO THE GROUP, NOW THAT WE HAVE A CHAIR, I'LL LIKELY SAY, MR. COX, CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND SEND THIS AFTER YOU'VE HAD A LOOK AT IT TO CONFIRM AND TALK TO MARYANNE AND THEN SEND THAT OUT TO THE COMMISSION? YEP.
UM, AND WE'LL COMMUNICATE WITH THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR.
THE OTHER ITEM IS THESE ARE TELEVISED.
UM, SO IF YOU'RE GONNA MISS A MEETING, YOU CAN TUNE IN, THEY'LL BE RECORDED, YOU CAN WATCH IT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WATCH IT LIVE.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK AND WATCH THIS TWO HOUR AND SIX MINUTE DISCUSSION, YOU CAN DO THAT AGAIN.
IF YOU MISS SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE, UM, WE'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT.
AND WE'RE HERE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TIME.
SO FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO US AND WE CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT.
BUT WE'LL, WE'LL PREPARE KIND OF SOME SUMMARY OF WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS TODAY TO BRING TO THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY AND TIME TO MULL IT OVER BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
MR. GRIMES, I WOULD ONLY SAY THAT IF ALL THIS VERBAL DISCUSSION CAN BE SUMMARIZED INTO SOME SORT OF A CHAT, GPT, TREVOR'S GONNA BE VERY HAPPY.
IT'S, I KNOW THESE ARE LONG CONVERSATIONS AND DELIBERATIVE BODIES CAN BE LIKE THIS, BUT UM, WE APPRECIATE IT AND WE'LL ULTIMATELY ARRIVE AT SOMETHING OF COURSE THAT YOU CAN ALL BE PROUD OF AND WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT.
JUST ONE LAST REMINDER, THE BEGINNING OF NEXT MEETING, WE WILL HAVE A GUEST SPEAKER THAT MAY FEEL MORE LIKE A, WE'RE GONNA SIT AND LISTEN ABOUT THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT FOR A FEW MINUTES.
UM, AND HE'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT, HEY, WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF, UH, SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, SINGLE MEMBER OR CAN WE GO ALL AT LARGE AND HE'S GONNA SHAKE HIS HEAD, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
YOU TALK ABOUT THE CENSUS AND HOW YOU DRAW ALL DISTRICTS SO THAT YOU'LL HAVE A GOOD FEELING FOR IF, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION, I WOULD DO THAT.